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Filler???

I like full cases, or nearly so. It makes for a more gratifying 'Boom'! Usually makes for better shooting too. I am picky about what powder goes where nonetheless.

Some many Moons ago, when primer brissance was THE topic, and folks were starting to noodle around with smaller flash holes, bushings, over primer wads and all sorts of other "ignition" related extrapolations,
...... SPG's magazine ( had a great article with a photo essay of various primers fired in the dark, high speed camera recorded. If it wasn't BPCR news, it was either Accurate Rifle, or such. Hell, may have been ASSRA's rag.
Anyhow, it sure put to rest any doubts one might have regarding modern primers throwing a LOT of screaming hot particles,....and quite a distance, at that.
I'd reckon that the general concensus thereafter was to avoid light charges of those powders coated with retardants.

While 4198 may well fall into that (retardant) category, I'm pretty certain that 5744 does NOT.

Sure looking forward to seeing the pics of this Pedersoli's residues / wreckage / final remains. Would LOVE to know it's vintage, too.

GTC

I've been following this thread and have learned a lot. There are some pics of the rifle in question here:

http://historicshooting.com/mybb/showthread.php?tid=1425&page=2

YEs, such as dacron, or the extruded styrofoam curtain rod fillers. DR guys use them all the time

Then there is NO airspace between the wad and projectile.

That stuff they call "Florist Foam" is one of the better choices,....versus "Kapok", Tissue Paper, Dacron.

WAY better uniformity if one is careful cutting it to close tolerance / thickness.

Throw / weigh powder, charge case, push cut FF over case mouth, seat bullet.

Been using the stuff forever for the currently somewhat debatable jacketed bullet break in. Puts some accuracy into the equation, and lets one rough in his mechanical zero, while performing the otherwise boring and onerous chore.

4198 and 4227 really need some sorta' filler.

"Cereal Shooting" has been around a long time, and whether COW, or Corn Meal, Wheatena, or grits,...... another way to take up the airspace, and dodge this ridiculous wad issue.

NO airspace,....repeat NO airspace !

GTC

anyone try Puff-lon?

Ouch....

Never been to the "Q" but do the smokeless shooters compete with the BP users or do they have separate categories?

Every body in the same pot.

Just about willing to BET that we're looking at an old, early vintage (Leaded Steel) Pedersoli barrel there.

Can't BELIEVE the gap that's opened up right at the breeching area,....that metal flowed like biscuit dough.

Where's that little sawed off Swampy bastard that used to continually kvetch about us ruining our rifles with black ?

GTC

That photo confirms my assessment of what caused the blow-up.

Went and pulled those rounds I had loaded with 30gr of 4198 and a foam filler. There was probably about 1/16" gap between the foam and the back of the bullet. Thanks for this. J

What people seem to forget is that a Sharps is a very strong action and more than capable of withstanding smokeless pressures. Shiloh does recommend black powder, not because the gun can't take smokeless powder, but because it can't take the abuse that stupid people will do with all the components that make up a cartridge...

^^^^^^ What he said, in spades.

Leaded steel can be funky. I inherited a high volume job years ago, where some genius had spec'd 11L14. Occasionally the fancy Italian forming machine would break the parts and throw them at you.

You've got that right, and there are NO flies on the Pedersoli effort,.....ACTION wise.

The barrel viewed does bring to mind Velveeta Cheese, though.

.....not a very palatable reality sandwich at all.

GTC

30 gr? The barrel split scares the heck outa me but I use 24 gr H4198 behind a 520 gr pointy tipped cast 20:1 bullet. Now for some more blasphemy...I also use just enough dacron batting to hold the powder agasint the primer. I've never found any after shooting. I'm fairly certain it burns up in the barrel. I regularly use a neck expander and seat the bullets approx 1/2 way in with my fingers. The bullet size, length and lube hold it firmly enough and when I stick it in the chamber the bullet seats itself in the case. Avg crony is 1129 FPS and it shoots .5 MOA at 100 yds.
It maintains the MOA out to 200 yds and I had planned on shooting it 300 yds this Sunday on Silhouettes.

My rifle is a 1997 Browning High Wall BPCR .45-70 with an MVA Malcom 6X, 28 inch scope.

My thinking is this is a modern rifle using low pressures. Is this also an accident waiting to happen?

Thanks

I also shoot an original Sharps 1859 .45-100 but I use BP in that one.

Might want to see how your home owners insurance will handle thing if that gun goes up at a match, and someone other than yourself becomes a casualty.