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And, please, save your cries about how it might turn into a runaway convention and gut the Constitution. Of what use is that worthless document now? I think that you are 100% correct. The time has come. miles
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The Supreme court might as well be abolished, since it has no function for the people anymore. It is all just politics, law be damned. miles Kangaroo Court
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If being stupid allows me to believe in Him, I'd wish to be a retard. Eisenhower and G Washington should be good company.
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And, please, save your cries about how it might turn into a runaway convention and gut the Constitution. Of what use is that worthless document now? I think that you are 100% correct. The time has come. miles Yes. It is time.
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I think we all knew how this would work out. The rest of the big six decisions will go against America as well.
Guess we don't have to wait for a new liberal judge, to see America and it's Constitution destroyed.
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Look for them to change the definition of marriage any time now. We are through the looking glass.
When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean - neither more nor less."
"The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."
"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master - that's all."
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Hey, but don't worry, we still have our toys...err I mean guns.
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Justice Roberts = The second coming of Earl Warren and a revitalized activist court.
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Justice Roberts disappoints again. Me too, but I think he has been trying to send Congress, and GOP in particular a message. That message is Congress makes the laws. Votes matter and don't let something get passed HOPING the Supreme Court will bail you out. That is not their job.
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Justice Roberts disappoints again. Me too, but I think he has been trying to send Congress, and GOP in particular a message. That message is Congress makes the laws. Votes matter and don't let something get passed HOPING the Supreme Court will bail you out. That is not their job. That's an optimistic thought, except the Court admitted that it changed the legislation three times to make the law "constitutional". Is that their job?
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I don't like any of it, but I don't believe they were wrong. I don't see how you come to this conclusion. The law clearly states that only those on state exchanges are elgible for subsidies. in addition there is video of Jonathan Gruber, one of the primary architects of the law, saying that this clause was in the law in order to put pressure on governors to create state exchanges. It seems that this was a political decision and not based on the law. And that's what Scalia says in his dissent.
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Justice Roberts disappoints again. Me too, but I think he has been trying to send Congress, and GOP in particular a message. That message is Congress makes the laws. Votes matter and don't let something get passed HOPING the Supreme Court will bail you out. That is not their job. I thought the purpose of SCOTUS was to determine the constitutionality and interpretation of laws. If this is correct, it should not matter who benefits politically. If a law is unconstitutional or interpreted incorrectly SCOTUS should rule that way regardless of whether some might view it as a "bail out".
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Wasn't a surprise, of course. And just to repeat what I said a coupla weeks ago.... Just put yourself in CJ Robert's shoes... On one hand you've got the Constitution, the actual text of the law, its legislative history, and logic.
On the other hand, back a coupla years ago you had a private meeting with an very-high-level administration staffer who showed you the NSA's exhaustive details on your son's and daughter's online activity and travels.
You're a smart guy....
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Guess my son and daughter would be paying their price if it were me....
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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...“Insurers and the government have developed a symbiotic relationship, nurtured by tens of billions of dollars that flow from the federal Treasury to insurers each year,” said Michael F. Cannon, director of health policy studies at the libertarian Cato Institute.
So much so, in fact, that insurers may soon be on a collision course with the Republican majority in the new Congress. Insurers, often aligned with Republicans in the past, have built their business plans around the law and will strenuously resist Republican efforts to dismantle it. Since Mr. Obama signed the law, share prices for four of the major insurance companies — Aetna, Cigna, Humana and UnitedHealth — have more than doubled, while the Standard & Poor’s 500-stock index has increased about 70 percent.
“These companies all look at government programs as growth markets,” said Michael J. Tuffin, a former executive vice president of America’s Health Insurance Plans, the main lobby for the industry. “There will be nearly $2 trillion of subsidized coverage through insurance exchanges and Medicaid over the next 10 years. These are pragmatic companies. They will follow the customer.”
The relationship is expected only to deepen as the two sides grow more intertwined.
Consumers are already hearing the same messages from insurance companies and the government urging them to sign up for health plans during the three-month enrollment period. Federal law requires most Americans to have coverage, insurers provide it, and the government subsidizes it.
“We are in this together,” Kevin J. Counihan, the chief executive of the federal insurance marketplace, told insurers at a recent conference in Washington. “You have been our partners,” and for that, he said, “we are very grateful.”...
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Justice Roberts disappoints again. Me too, but I think he has been trying to send Congress, and GOP in particular a message. That message is Congress makes the laws. Votes matter and don't let something get passed HOPING the Supreme Court will bail you out. That is not their job. That's an optimistic thought, except the Court admitted that it changed the legislation three times to make the law "constitutional". Is that their job? Indeed - it is NOT their job to make law, which is precisely what they did. They have acted beyond their authority, and the decision is illegitimate.
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So simply put the Government will allow folks to grossly under pay for health insurance and allow Insurance Companies to recover the difference from the US taxpayers.
The SCOTUS just approved a rob peter to pay paul system which is a polite way of saying socialism.
Our Democracy is hanging by a thread. If Hillary wins, and stacks the courts further, its over for all of us alive today.
This country will then be doomed to repeat what other socialist countries have failed at but it seems like we too must repeat the failure of something for nothing.
Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.
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Scalia is not happy with his colleagues on the Court: In a dissent he summarized from the bench, Justice Antonin Scalia said, “We should start calling this law SCOTUScare.” Using the acronym for the Supreme Court, Scalia said his colleagues have twice stepped in to save the law from what Scalia considered worthy challenges.
“The Court holds that when the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act says ‘Exchange established by the State’ it means ‘Exchange established by the State or the Federal Government.’ That is of course quite absurd, and the Court’s 21 pages of explanation make it no less so,” Scalia wrote.
Scalia added, “Words no longer have meaning if an Exchange that is not established by a State is ‘established by the State.’ It is hard to come up with a clearer way to limit tax credits to state Exchanges than to use the words ‘established by the State.’ And it is hard to come up with a reason to include the words ‘by the State’ other than the purpose of limiting credits to state Exchanges.”
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...“Insurers and the government have developed a symbiotic relationship, nurtured by tens of billions of dollars that flow from the federal Treasury to insurers each year,” said Michael F. Cannon, director of health policy studies at the libertarian Cato Institute.
So much so, in fact, that insurers may soon be on a collision course with the Republican majority in the new Congress. Insurers, often aligned with Republicans in the past, have built their business plans around the law and will strenuously resist Republican efforts to dismantle it. Since Mr. Obama signed the law, share prices for four of the major insurance companies — Aetna, Cigna, Humana and UnitedHealth — have more than doubled, while the Standard & Poor’s 500-stock index has increased about 70 percent.
“These companies all look at government programs as growth markets,” said Michael J. Tuffin, a former executive vice president of America’s Health Insurance Plans, the main lobby for the industry. “There will be nearly $2 trillion of subsidized coverage through insurance exchanges and Medicaid over the next 10 years. These are pragmatic companies. They will follow the customer.”
The relationship is expected only to deepen as the two sides grow more intertwined.
Consumers are already hearing the same messages from insurance companies and the government urging them to sign up for health plans during the three-month enrollment period. Federal law requires most Americans to have coverage, insurers provide it, and the government subsidizes it.
“We are in this together,” Kevin J. Counihan, the chief executive of the federal insurance marketplace, told insurers at a recent conference in Washington. “You have been our partners,” and for that, he said, “we are very grateful.”...
Then maybe...just MAYBE, the Republicans will wake up and see that these massive corporations are not our friends. They don't have the best interest of America at heart.
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