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Fans heading to Sunday's Coke Zero 400 will have the opportunity to get rid of their Confederate flag if they so choose.

According to reports from NBC Sports and the Orlando Sentinel, Daytona International Speedway is hosting a Confederate flag exchange program over the race weekend.

A track spokesperson told NBC that specifics for the program have not been finalized.

“We want to be open and inclusive,” Daytona president Joie Chitwood told the Orlando Sentinel. “We want to celebrate the American flag this weekend. That’s the flag that we should be celebrating. We’re going to have flags available so if fans want to exchange whatever flags they have for an American flag, we want to make sure they wave our nation’s flag. It’s our nation’s birthday. We’re going to have military there. That’s going to be our goal."

NASCAR chairman Brian France said he doesn't like the Confederate flag and would like to have it eliminated from his sport's races. While the sport doesn't use the flag in any official capacity, it can frequently be seen flown by fans in attendance, especially at races in southern states.

After the shootings in Charleston, South Carolina, NASCAR said it supported the moves to take the Confederate flag down from the South Carolina Capitol grounds. However, it didn't go so far as to ban the flag from races. While a ban could ultimately be possible in the future, no ban of the flag is in place for the weekend at Daytona.

Since NASCAR is a private entity, the banning of the flag is not a free speech issue.

Exchanges of controversial items aren't new in the sports world, though it's certainly fascinating to see one involving a flag that was around long before NASCAR was conceptualized. After the New England Patriots dissolved ties with tight end Aaron Hernandez, currently serving a life sentence in prison for murder, the team held a jersey exchange. Fans who had a Hernandez jersey were given the opportunity to trade in the jersey for another Patriots player.

Just like with the Hernandez exchange, there will be fans at Daytona with Confederate flags who refuse to participate for any number of reasons. And those reasons include defiance. While NASCAR and track officials won't be confiscating flags from anyone on track property over the weekend, given the recent comments and gestures, anyone who chooses to display the flag will be doing so knowing that they're not in NASCAR's favor.

How insulting and presumptuous. I'd love to see a huge boycott by supporters of the flag.

"NASCAR chairman Brian France said he doesn't like the Confederate flag and would like to have it eliminated from his sport's races."

It is not just "his " sport...

The Confederate flag is the new "N" word. What an idiotic and shallow society

Alienating a major portion of your core fan base is an interesting approach to boosting your sport.

Brian France will eventually kill nascar, just give him time.

Yes, don't bring or display your Confederate flag at a NASCAR race.

I could see the city of Munich being more successful telling their visitors not to drink beer at Oktoberfest.

If I was going, that announcement would make me MORE likely to carry one AND it wouldn't be exchanged either!

On looks alone, the battle flag trumps old glory so thats reason enough, but now with all this going on, no way in hell i'd trade in the battle flag for any flag

I would love for there to be so many Battle Flags in the infield this weekend the cameras couldn't get a shot without showing one.

God i hopw there is

I can't wait to see what happens if France ever sends his minions out to start confiscating Confederate flags at NASCAR races.


It'll be more fun than Dodge City on Saturday night.

Dont be surprised if they have folks walking and asking fans to remove the flags. Also a pre-race announcement.

And if you dont, they'll want you escorted out of the race, charged with creating a disturbance, or disturbing the peace or some trumped up charge, that is meaningless and will be dismissed.

Take away their money, and they'll feel it.

NASCAR fans should start mailing the charred remains of any merchandise they have back to NASCAR headquarters.

Surely NASCAR realizes this will go nowhere. I have to believe they are simply trying for positive PR! That alone makes me want to puke and I don't watch races!!

Davey Allison, Cale Yarborough, and Fireball Roberts would each have one in the cab with them to fly on a victory lap; at a minimum.

NASCAR isn't going to attract a black audience no more than Republicans are going to get black votes. Pandering and wishing is all they are doing.

I have more than a few "n"s in my attic! Yikes!!

Maybe if NASCAR painted a Confederate flag on the 24 car fans would trade in their Battle Flag.....

Big, Big mistake on NASCAR's part. Brian France.........fitting last name.

NASCAR Chairman & CEO issues statement on Confederate Flag
DAYTONA BEACH, Fla. (June 27, 2015) – "NASCAR will maintain its long-standing policy preventing the use of the Confederate Flag in any official position at our events. In all areas that NASCAR controls on a given race weekend, the flag has no presence.

"We have been clear in support of this position throughout our industry and to those across the country who have called for the eradication of the Confederate Flag. We will be as aggressive as possible to disassociate NASCAR events from an offensive and divisive symbol. We are working with the industry right now to achieve that goal."

NASCAR roots are southern booze runners. guess the " newbies" are too stupid to know this

He could start by getting rid of these...

That was mean.

The only [bleep] seen at NASCAR races are the National Anthem singer and the Reverend saying a prayer, and occasional honor guard from various branches of service...

[bleep] don't support NASCAR one bit, they couldn't care less.

Brian France can kiss my white ass after he finishes kissing [bleep] ass.. [bleep] him!

France is an idiot. I have been watching NASCAR less and less and this make me never want to go to another race.

I find the White house being lit up in queer colors divisive and offensive. Maybe that is what needs to be banned.

You mean Ford took a bailout too like the rest of them? Guess its what I get for stopping watching the news years ago.

Look it up.

The France Family OWNS NASCAR, so it really is "HIS" sport. They also own International Speedway Corporation, the umbrella company that owns 13 race tracks.

Learn more about the bailout before you simplify it, do not let brand loyalty color your opinion. Ford supported the bailout because they benefited and may not have survived without it. The auto biz is way more intertwined than most know. Many of the smaller vendors serve multiple companies, many component manufacturers are divisions of the big three and they all share some parts. If the other two went down ford may well have followed. Along with many jobs, and most of those are not US but people in small shops scattered all over the country. Sorry to sidetract the thread.

The whole country should have found that offensive.

You guys are all missing the brilliance of this. Buy a bunch of US flags, trade them for those "Evil Confederate flags" then sell those "Evil Confederate flags" on the black market for five hundred bucks each.

this is going to backfire on NASCAR. They have no business in this flag business. Period.

Im hoping, and thinking, you will.....

+1. They have had a heck of a time filling the seats since the hay days of the 80s and 90s. This sure won't help their cause. After hearing this I hope they continue to struggle.

You Gotta know your audience.

Advanced bumper cars... No "racing" involved. It's all turned into a caution for debris on the track until the right driver winds up in front.

Pro wrestling anyone? I pulled for Haystacks Calhoun

Nicer if the stands were basically empty.

nascar has been doing things that the fans don't like lately. they have given the fans a choice this time. daytona will be covered with confederate flags this week. i don't see many trades happening.

let the fans vote on what needs to go at a race track and toyota would be top of the easily.nascar fans are brand loyal. toyotas in racing has brought nascar's fan base way down,but they will never admit that.

A "buy back" program implies that the goods sought were once the property of the entity trying to (re)acquire them. Such programs as the NASCAR (and Brady bunch gun attempts) are not so at all; it is a logical and factual fallacy to call them "buy back programs". They are a program of censorship and of subjugation.

They have whole grandstands empty now and cover them with tarps. Every year the attendance is lower, Nascar won't even publish attendance numbers now. ESPN couldn't end their contract soon enough because no one is watching.

THIS.

Besides, The NEW NASCAR:
Women drivers
jap cars...

Let's all get some beer and drive to the race and make fun of people trading in their flags.

In fact, I suspect some SOB will probably be trading in some history. I'd like to be there.

Ain't this race in the PRK?

No clue.

I don't follow NASCAR, just human nature.

Gotcha. I mostly stopped when Davey Allison died; stopped completely when Dale hit the wall.

Daytona

Ah... Yeah, I suspect there'll be a LOT of Stars & Bars flying, but not as many as will/would be in Talladega or Bristol.

I do the local dirt tracks with Dad on occasion, where you can still witness guys punching each other after trading paint.

Haven't seen a "big race" in years.

That's still real racing. The best big show is the trucks, they still beat, bang, and fight.

the last race I seen I was working the pits as a fireman in Michigan International.

Marlboro 500 followed by the next Nascar race. Probably 1992 or so.

Bobby Rahal is an ass,

and Dick Trickle (rest his soul) called me a mf'er because I popped an ansul on his engine when his pit crew couldn't douse a fire with water.

Dick probably caused the fire by smoking in the car, it was the Winston Cup back then

I doubt it. Like all lieberals, they are too arrogant to care.

I would like to believe that the "Good-ol-Boy" NASCAR fans will bring their flags to Daytona and wave them proudly, but I have my doubts.

I'm guessing that there will be a few and that few will be Harassed and detained, but as a whole, I think this race will go on as planned without a whimper of protest.

Hope I'm wrong!

Don't doubt the the "Good-ol-Boy"... Just as sure as sh.it on your shirt tail the flag will fly in large numbers..

Hope you are right!

Perfect Time to send a message to the Left!

Keep driving your government motors electric car while you fly your Yankee flag off the antenna.

Please explain to me where a liberal point of view or arrogance has anything to do with a person's level of interest in NASCAR.

NASCAR is a "sport" and sports fan tend toward the extremes, in that they are either rabid followers or totally indifferent. I'm not liberal, but I don't care for auto racing and don't know, don't care, which drivers, teams, manufacturers, etc. win, lose, or crash.

Screw France and NASCAR.

Daytona International Speedway will not ban the Confederate flag but will offer a flag exchange for fans attending this weekend’s NASCAR races there.

Take a deep breath.... LOL, I simply asked a question.

I got an answer I guess. Like I said, I have no clue what the dis at Ford was, just wondering since I dont' follow news since its almost all liberal.

Thanks for the input.

I am not and never have been brand loyal because I've seen great and junk from about every manufacturer over the years, I go with what is the best for my money.

He already has IMO.

Mike

rost, you're "discussing" this with a unionista.

So, soon the only place to buy a confederate flag will be on the black market?

Oh, the irony...

John

Would be cool if some enterprising individuals set up stands just outside of the Race Track and sold Confederate Flags to race fans as they passed by.

Since the France family owns NASCAR, they can do with it what they want. That said, whatever the France family decided to do with NASCAR, the team owners, drivers, and fans will continue to do what they are doing today, if for no other reason than there isn't any alternative league to join.

Killing NASCAR doesn't sound like a bad thing to me, it's not as if NASCAR adds any value to anything.

WTF is wrong with this country?

Taking the Battle Flag out of NASCAR makes about as much sense as taking game mounts out of Gander Mountain.

This whole Nascar thing reminds me of the outdoor expo in PA that banned AR15 rifles before the show...

The public and the vendors boycotted the show, and the show folded. A new show replaced it with much success.

The promoters that banned AR 15's in the show were also the ones that put on SHOT Show. They lost that contract as well.

Gotta hit 'em in the pocketbook if you expect to do any damage.

THIS!

Good. Then if NASCAR takes a hit with shrinking attendance and merchandise sales, it will hit the intended target directly.

F'ing Communists masquerading as demoncraps.

Liberals, socialists, Marxists, communists, democrats... Same thing. Just splitting hairs.

Add RINO's to the list too.

The "Black Market" has requested that in the future, they be identified as the "Really Just Dark Grey Market", since the term Black Market is racist in origin and not really representative of who the Black Market really is in today's society.

The Really Just Dark Grey Market would also like to add that they still, as always, accept peoples money without regard to race, color or creed.

I can see the race tracks banning the flags because NASCAR will put heat on the tracks to ban any flags on the private property the track owns. NASCAR owns several tracks. You put up a confederate flag, and you will be asked to take it down or leave. This will happen. Tracks have way too much invested in losing the revenue from a NASCAR race.

It will all come down to private property owners having rules enforcing no confederate flags. Of course, you will see a million of them in the camping areas especially in places like Talledaga that have free camping across from the track.

JMO


Clyde

First amendment rights do not end when you cross onto private property. If the "private owner" lets the public onto his racetrack, he can't pick and choose. Are they going to ban Battle Flag T-shirts and Hats? They will soon find themselves wrapped up in a court battle....

Like the kid that was expelled from school for wearing an NRA t-shirt?

Just say no to NASCAR.

I'll be honest and say I don't know how the laws would work. However, if I allow someone onto my property and they start putting up signs or behaving in a way I don't approve of, would I not have the right to kick them off?


Clyde

No real idea either, but it would seem that if they allow the public onto their track for a race, they have to accept them all. They might be able to remove a flag because it's a nuisance or in the way of a camera, or some other BS, but if fans start having flags on their person, not sure if they can do anything...

I don't know jack chit about NASCAR but if they get more than a handful of Battle Flags turned in and exchanged for the US flag I'll be pretty surprised.

if you look at the term: NASCAR, as racing term, it is by its very construct a group of racist fans.... racing fans, racists... its a word game. now its a takeoff of that great john wayne movie: the shootist... shooter shootist. racer racist. I would not be surprised if a complete reverse effect comes about: time to push back at the word bigots aka PC police.

word policing, whether symbols or words, is no longer a slippery slope. it has become a cliff. one misstep and people are boycotted, fired, ostracized,.

how about we start a new group of bigots: PCists... pissyists.

It's scary how little people understand the Constitution. And what little critical thinking they have.



If I come to your house and start calling your wife fat, dumb and smelly.....is there anything you can do about it or does the 1A protect me?

Depends on whether or not I charge you an Entrance fee to call my wife fat, dumb and smelly....Heck, come on Friday's or Saturdays and I'll probably agree with you.

Let the same owner ban the LGBT flag, see how fast that ends up in court...

whats scary is how few people have balls enough to stand up for there rights .

As "you" know, Rights protected by the Constitution are essentially irrelevant when dealing with a non-governmental actor. As explained by the United States Supreme Court (Edmonson v. Leesville Concrete Company, Inc, 500 U.S. 614 (U. S. Supreme Court, 1991).

From the post above...

Let the same owner ban the LGBT flag, see how fast that ends up in court... [/quote]

as a test case for the PCpolice... (pissypolice) this would be a good comparison. but why rankle folks on purpose?

hypocrisy is now so prevalent on so many fronts, and in so many cases, to point it out anymore is like trying to identify one tree in a forest...

my choice is to enjoy the forest not to pick apart the individual trees...certainly each tree has imperfections and dead branches and scar tissues...

as a test case for the PCpolice... (pissypolice) this would be a good comparison. but why rankle folks on purpose?

hypocrisy is now so prevalent on so many fronts, and in so many cases, to point it out anymore is like trying to identify one tree in a forest...

my choice is to enjoy the forest not to pick apart the individual trees...certainly each tree has imperfections and dead branches and scar tissues...


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A private property owner can ban any inanimate object they wish as long as it is not "Protected" under civil rights laws. Protected Items like, wheel chairs, canes etc.

They most certainly can ban, guns, skate boards, signs, hats, colors, leathers, bats, flip flops and even flags.

No it doesn't.

This is 2015, people are wanting to secede and make their own country. Yet we still have this level of ignorance on Constitutional issues.

The liberals scare me now. The "conservatives" scare me for the future.

You are correct. It's not a First Amendment issue as it conflicts with the property rights of the owner of the site/event. No one is forced to attend, therefore the property rights trump.

That said, it's not a smart business move to upset your clientele, though I suspect that France & Co. could care less about the fans and cotton only to the sponsors and networks.

Will we have to change it to the "mulatto market?"

I'm thinking, and hoping that DIS won't have enough flags to exchange for all the Confederate flags coming in.

I have been...for about 15 years.

That's a very good point!

Of course Jeff Gordon would be the front of the line.

Thanks, did not realize that at all. Could explain some things.

Unions are on my "black" list. LOL

They're going to alienate their base loyal fans. Stupid. You'd think they would have just kept their mouth shut. From a business standpoint, I wouldn't have touched that with a 10 foot pole.

Although privately owned, doesn't the racetrack fall under "Public Accommodations".?

The owner might be able to discriminate, but I don't think he could just throw out those with the Battle Flag. They'd have to throw out those carrying Any Flag.

No.?

If NASCAR had a legal right to say NO Battle Flags on our property, I bet they would have already made the announcement.

True but the sponsors bail when viewership goes down. Nascar is hurting, they went from every race on network TV to half their races on Fox Sports 1. They have really stepped on their own dicks over the last few years and this is just another example of that.