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A lot of modern day Sons of Confederate Veterans would be in for a shock if they could actually talk to their ancestor "Private Johnny Reb"

This was after all the 1860's , a lot of Private Johnny Rebs were subsistence farmers , owned no slaves , didn't care about the politics of the time & sure as hell didn't want to leave their farms to go off & fight in some war.

For Johnny to go off & fight meant that he left his wife & children on a hardscrabble farm that they could not work , with starvation a real possibility.

Johnny had no illusions about fighting for someone else's "noble cause" but he was faced with a couple not so good choices.
1. Go to war & leave the family to their own devices.
2. Stay home & be hunted by several different factions.

It amazes me that some of the young modern day Sheltons fly the Confederate flag considering what happened to their ancestors at the hands of Confederate soldiers in Shelton Laurel NC


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While not a direct memoir this one is an excellent way to see a more complete picture of Robert E. Lee:


http://www.amazon.com/Life-Letters-...eywords=life+and+letters+of+robert+e+lee


Its a compilation of Lee's letters taken from his letter book and the Lee family papers by Dr. J.W Jones, a Chaplain in the Army of Northern Virginia


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Originally Posted by 6mm250
A lot of modern day Sons of Confederate Veterans would be in for a shock if they could actually talk to their ancestor "Private Johnny Reb"

This was after all the 1860's , a lot of Private Johnny Rebs were subsistence farmers , owned no slaves , didn't care about the politics of the time & sure as hell didn't want to leave their farms to go off & fight in some war.

For Johnny to go off & fight meant that he left his wife & children on a hardscrabble farm that they could not work , with starvation a real possibility.

Johnny had no illusions about fighting for someone else's "noble cause" but he was faced with a couple not so good choices.
1. Go to war & leave the family to their own devices.
2. Stay home & be hunted by several different factions.

It amazes me that some of the young modern day Sheltons fly the Confederate flag considering what happened to their ancestors at the hands of Confederate soldiers in Shelton Laurel NC


Mike



That was a real problem especially in the mountains.


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Some more things for the reading list:

This is a good short biography of Stonewall Jackson. I have used it for my classes and most of the kids took to it nicely:

http://www.amazon.com/Stonewall-Jac...rds=stonewall+jackson+by+donald+A.+Davis


The other books in this series are good too. I have also used the volumes on Pershing and Eisenhower with good success for classes.


Here is a nice biography on John Mosby:

http://www.amazon.com/Gray-Ghost-Li...sr=1-3&keywords=john+singleton+mosby


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A couple of good volumes written by Joshua Chamberlain:


http://www.amazon.com/Through-Blood...p;sr=1-9&keywords=Joshua+Chamberlain


http://www.amazon.com/Appomattox-Su...;sr=1-10&keywords=Joshua+Chamberlain


Chamberlain was a man of great courage and conviction. Too bad he was a Yankee. smile


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A Civil War trivia question:


What future famous US Army general was regaled with stories of the Civil War by Confederate guerrilla leader John S. Mosby when he was a boy?


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Robert E. Lee understood the purpose of the Civil War better than anyone. I just found this quote by him today and it struck such a chord that I had to make it my tagline. Nostradamus had nothing on Robert E. Lee when it came to foretelling future events.

The consolidation of the states into one vast republic, sure to be aggressive abroad and despotic at home, will be the certain precursor of that ruin which has overwhelmed all those that have preceded it.

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Originally Posted by Bristoe
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Exactly. Mosby and Patton's father were good friends and Mosby often visited the Patton ranch in California.

Patton incorporated many of Mosby's cavalry tactics into his tank operations in WWII.


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Another trivia question:

What father of a future US president paid a surrogate to fight in his place during the Civil War? What was his main reason for doing this?


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Originally Posted by Paradiddle
Tagging this thread.



Tag, participate man participate. smile


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Here are couple of different looks at the Slavery issue:

The first one is probably one of the best biographies ever done on John Brown:

http://www.amazon.com/Purge-This-La...p;keywords=to+purge+this+land+with+blood


This one looks at Slavery in the mountains of western NC:

http://www.amazon.com/Mountain-Mast...mp;keywords=mountain+masters+john+inscoe

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Originally Posted by hillbillybear
Another trivia question:

What father of a future US president paid a surrogate to fight in his place during the Civil War? What was his main reason for doing this?


Hoover and they were Quakers.

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Another trivia question:

What father of a future US president paid a surrogate to fight in his place during the Civil War? What was his main reason for doing this?


Hoover and they were Quakers.



Nope, weren't Hoover.


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C'mon now. There has to be a little fun with History. Somebody answer that second trivia question


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Teddy Roosevelt


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And yet it irks me the poor dappled fools,
Being native burghers of this desert city,
Should in their own confines with forked heads
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Grover Cleveland,..and the reason?

Why,...he didn't wanna get his ass shot, is why.


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Two that I enjoyed:

The Recollections and Letters of Robert E. Lee by his son Capt. Robert E. Lee

StoneWall Jackson. The Man, The Soldier, The Legend. James L. Robertson, Jr.


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Originally Posted by kaywoodie
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Bingo!

It was Theodore Roosevelt, Sr. TR 's pappy. He hired the surrogate to maintain domestic bliss. His wife "Mittie" was from the prominent Bulloch family from Roswell, GA and her brothers fought for the Confederacy. One was killed in combat.

In an interview years later TR described his mother as "a lovely southern woman ....who was Unreconstructed until her dying day."

Many sources say that "Mittie" Bulloch Roosevelt was who the character of Scarlett O'Hara was based on

Theodore Roosevelt, Sr. served as the Allotment Commissioner for NY which was essentially a man who sold Union soldiers a form of a life insurance plan with the premiums paid by what we would call a payroll deduction today.

His mother in law also lived with the Roosevelts during the Civil War and being a good southern woman of Scottish extraction, Mother Bulloch had her own still for making whiskey and knitted socks for care packages she sent to Confederate soldiers back home in GA.


Here is a superb look, one the best History books ever written really, at TR's early life and his family done by David McCullough:

http://www.amazon.com/Mornings-Hors...r=1-1&keywords=mornings+on+horseback

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