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Re: 4200 vs 6500 Ringman #10106706 07/05/15
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Steelhead Campfire Oracle S Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 96,121	4200's suck ass. "Dear Lord, save me from Your followers"

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Re: 4200 vs 6500 Steelhead #10106776 07/05/15
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jimmyp Campfire Ranger J Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 18,300 Mobile	that is an interesting counterpoint. I don't have one but wondered why?

Re: 4200 vs 6500 Ringman #10106780 07/05/15
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Steelhead Campfire Oracle S Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 96,121	They'd be skookum if they had any eye-relief and an AO to remove the parallax. "Dear Lord, save me from Your followers"

Re: 4200 vs 6500 Steelhead #10106814 07/05/15
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jimmyp Campfire Ranger J Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 18,300 Mobile	thanks I actually found one I was thinking of buying due to the rave reviews above.

Re: 4200 vs 6500 Steelhead #10106998 07/05/15
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Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana D Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,015 Central Louisiana	Originally Posted by Steelhead They'd be skookum if they had any eye-relief and an AO to remove the parallax. The ones I have are on mild kickers due to ER. The big scopes do have A/O. To me, they're a lot of scope for the buck. DF

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Re: 4200 vs 6500 Ringman #10107238 07/06/15
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Steelhead Campfire Oracle S Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 96,121	My point was that I had major parallax issues with the 2 I owned and I should need an AO on a 3-9x. Eye relief sucks and there is no good reason to put up with it. I didn't mention the 6500 because I've never held or smelled one. "Dear Lord, save me from Your followers"

Re: 4200 vs 6500 Dirtfarmer #10107582 07/06/15
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mathman Campfire 'Bwana M Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 44,804	Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer Originally Posted by Huntz Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer I have a 6500 2.5-16x42 on an HS SPL .240. I like the 2.5X for off hand shooting, killed a nice Pronghorn in NM, offhand at 80 yds. It was the only shot I was going to get. The low power made it easier for me to hold the gun steady. At 16X, the eyebox gets critical and in dim light, I have to crank the power back a bit to see. The 50mm version may be better at dim light, but I've never handled one of those. I have no experience with the higher powered 6500's and can't comment. I do have some experience with the 4200 Elite 6-24x40 discussed above. DF Explain how the power of the scope made you steadier?I bet you are not physically steadier than at high power.Being on high power only magnifies how unsteady you really are. Yep, something about perception becoming reality. No steadier at 2.5X, just seems that way. You don't see your wigglies as bad and mess up trying to overcorrect. Just aim and make the shot. Good point. DF That's just it, you may actually wiggle more with higher magnification because the point of aim-eye-brain-nerve-muscle-point of aim-eye-... feedback loop over reacts.

Re: 4200 vs 6500 Ringman #10108256 07/06/15
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g5m Campfire Ranger G Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 19,495 desert	It looks like the 4500 series added the AO and has a 3.9" eye relief, at least with the 4-16. Retired cat herder.

Re: 4200 vs 6500 g5m #10108310 07/06/15
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Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana D Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,015 Central Louisiana	Originally Posted by g5m It looks like the 4500 series added the AO and has a 3.9" eye relief, at least with the 4-16. Did you see a price? DF

Re: 4200 vs 6500 Ringman #10108382 07/06/15
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g5m Campfire Ranger G Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 19,495 desert	No. It was on the Bushnell website, looking at the specs. But, there is this: http://swfa.com/Elite-4500-C12810.aspx Retired cat herder.

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Re: 4200 vs 6500 Ringman #10108526 07/06/15
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Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana D Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,015 Central Louisiana	I'd like to compare a 4500 next to a 4200. DF

Re: 4200 vs 6500 Ringman #10108546 07/06/15
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RDFinn Campfire Ranger Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 18,453 Bernardsville, NJ	Only difference I saw right off the bat was different turret knobs.

Re: 4200 vs 6500 Ringman #10110246 07/06/15
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Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana D Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,015 Central Louisiana	I got to compare the Japanese 4200 Elite 3-9x40 with the Chinese Limited Edition 3-9x40. Here are side by side photos of the two. Does the 4500 turrets look more like the Chinese version or the Japanese version? Limited Ed is left and bottom. DF

Re: 4200 vs 6500 Dirtfarmer #10110296 07/06/15
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RDFinn Campfire Ranger Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 18,453 Bernardsville, NJ	Neither. Under the caps were stainless looking round knurled type knobs.

Re: 4200 vs 6500 Ringman #10111230 07/07/15
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Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana D Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,015 Central Louisiana	Do you like the 4500 turrets more than the 4200 version? DF

Re: 4200 vs 6500 Ringman #10112446 07/07/15
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RDFinn Campfire Ranger Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 18,453 Bernardsville, NJ	Yes. Easier to grab.

Re: 4200 vs 6500 Ringman #10112648 07/07/15
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RDFinn Campfire Ranger Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 18,453 Bernardsville, NJ	Just got the new Elite and the Firefly reticle is slightly different but still great looking for low light. Looks like a euro #8.

Re: 4200 vs 6500 RDFinn #10112764 07/07/15
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jimmyp Campfire Ranger J Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 18,300 Mobile	you have the 4500? does it have adjustable parralax focus? Is it made in Chini. ?

Re: 4200 vs 6500 Ringman #10112804 07/07/15
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RDFinn Campfire Ranger Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 18,453 Bernardsville, NJ	No an Elite 3-9 x 40. No Elites are made in China.

Re: 4200 vs 6500 Ringman #10114550 07/07/15
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Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana D Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,015 Central Louisiana	The Limited Edition is Chinese. When I compared the 3-9x40 Limited Ed. with the Elite 4200 3-9x40, I couldn't tell any difference in the glass. The Chinese version was slightly longer and slightly heavier. It had A/O, the Elite didn't. That could explain some of the weight difference. Overall it was a great scope. DF

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