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A 162 grain AMax in .284 is .625 BC, 2700 is very reasonable. The 260 which I have and shoot more than most any of my rifles, is in that velocity ball park with 140 grainers, which are a little lower BC.

Ain't any real difference.



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Lots of ways to define most for least thus impossible to answer. I would suggest the good old trusty 30-30

A capable rifle for even larger game animals

Range adequate for 90+ % of shots one is likely to encounter.

Reloading is helped by lower pressures, gives 80-85% of most large 30's using approx 50% of powder

Factory ammo is probably the cheapest centerfire rifle ammo around with possibles exception of 223


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I would say anything in the 308 based case will give the most for the least. Where else can you get that kind of performance with 40 ish grains of powder.

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Originally Posted by 1Deernut
I find the 7-08 vs 260 comparison interesting. The 260 140 grain Berger has a BC of .615. You have to go to a 168 grain in 7-08 to better that (.617). Given equal pressures, the 260/140 gives about 100 fps more out of equal barrels. Hardly a big advantage, but it seems that hitting over long distances gives the 260 a slight advantage. Considering recoil, a larger advantage. Thus the reason you see the 260 in competition and not the 7-08. The 260 is a pet of mine, but it seems that apples-to-apples, the 260 gives more for less. In addition, no animal that I would shoot with a 7-08 on purpose, could not be taken cleanly with a 260.

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I think you've got a good point even though I favor the 7mm-08 and 162.

In the Precision Rifle Series, the 6mm and 6.5mm chamberings are popular with few if any 7mm-08 being used. Maybe the 7mm-08 has less "inherent accuracy" but my guess is that recoil has something to do with it.

Not sure I buy the 100 fps advantage with the 260 vs the 7-08 though. I think they are probably close enough to be a wash. The 7mm-08 does have the advantage in bullet weight, but with the added recoil. Two peas in a pod really.

Back to the PRS, in 2014 the 6mm Creedmoor was the most popular with competitors and the top 3 averaging cartridges were all 6mm per PRSblog... 6x47, 6XC, & 6mm Creed. The 6.5mm chamberings were close but the .260 wasn't as popular as the 6.5x47 or 6.5mm Creed. Indian or the arrow? We know the Indian has a lot to do with the results, but I find it interesting that the 6mm has become so popular with the PRS guys.

The 243 with 105 (or 6mm Creed, etc), 260 with 123 or 140 (or 6.5 Creed, etc), and 7mm-08 with 162 or 168 all seem to offer the most for the least. Just need to juggle the trade-offs... bullet mass, barrel life, and recoil.

A better question might be, "What gives more for less compared to the 6mm/6.5mm/7mm short actions?" Assuming relatively light hunting rifles, not chunks.

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I'd also like to vote for the .223 and the 50gr V-Max.

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Originally Posted by 4th_point
Originally Posted by 1Deernut
I find the 7-08 vs 260 comparison interesting. The 260 140 grain Berger has a BC of .615. You have to go to a 168 grain in 7-08 to better that (.617). Given equal pressures, the 260/140 gives about 100 fps more out of equal barrels. Hardly a big advantage, but it seems that hitting over long distances gives the 260 a slight advantage. Considering recoil, a larger advantage. Thus the reason you see the 260 in competition and not the 7-08. The 260 is a pet of mine, but it seems that apples-to-apples, the 260 gives more for less. In addition, no animal that I would shoot with a 7-08 on purpose, could not be taken cleanly with a 260.

Anybody want to argue? grin


I think you've got a good point even though I favor the 7mm-08 and 162.

In the Precision Rifle Series, the 6mm and 6.5mm chamberings are popular with few if any 7mm-08 being used. Maybe the 7mm-08 has less "inherent accuracy" but my guess is that recoil has something to do with it.

Not sure I buy the 100 fps advantage with the 260 vs the 7-08 though. I think they are probably close enough to be a wash. The 7mm-08 does have the advantage in bullet weight, but with the added recoil. Two peas in a pod really.

Back to the PRS, in 2014 the 6mm Creedmoor was the most popular with competitors and the top 3 averaging cartridges were all 6mm per PRSblog... 6x47, 6XC, & 6mm Creed. The 6.5mm chamberings were close but the .260 wasn't as popular as the 6.5x47 or 6.5mm Creed. Indian or the arrow? We know the Indian has a lot to do with the results, but I find it interesting that the 6mm has become so popular with the PRS guys.

The 243 with 105 (or 6mm Creed, etc), 260 with 123 or 140 (or 6.5 Creed, etc), and 7mm-08 with 162 or 168 all seem to offer the most for the least. Just need to juggle the trade-offs... bullet mass, barrel life, and recoil.

A better question might be, "What gives more for less compared to the 6mm/6.5mm/7mm short actions?" Assuming relatively light hunting rifles, not chunks.

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Seems you can go 108's and make a 260 close to 243/105's and 140's and be in the 7-08/162 ball park.

I don't think there's more ass out of a 308 based case than a 162 Amax.

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The short action 6.5mm and 7mm stuff is impressive. Nosler's online load data now shows the 129gr LRAB at nearly 3,050fps in the .260Rem with 45 grains of RL17. That's a 26" barrel, but still...


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Originally Posted by 16bore
Originally Posted by 4th_point
Originally Posted by 1Deernut
I find the 7-08 vs 260 comparison interesting. The 260 140 grain Berger has a BC of .615. You have to go to a 168 grain in 7-08 to better that (.617). Given equal pressures, the 260/140 gives about 100 fps more out of equal barrels. Hardly a big advantage, but it seems that hitting over long distances gives the 260 a slight advantage. Considering recoil, a larger advantage. Thus the reason you see the 260 in competition and not the 7-08. The 260 is a pet of mine, but it seems that apples-to-apples, the 260 gives more for less. In addition, no animal that I would shoot with a 7-08 on purpose, could not be taken cleanly with a 260.

Anybody want to argue? grin


I think you've got a good point even though I favor the 7mm-08 and 162.

In the Precision Rifle Series, the 6mm and 6.5mm chamberings are popular with few if any 7mm-08 being used. Maybe the 7mm-08 has less "inherent accuracy" but my guess is that recoil has something to do with it.

Not sure I buy the 100 fps advantage with the 260 vs the 7-08 though. I think they are probably close enough to be a wash. The 7mm-08 does have the advantage in bullet weight, but with the added recoil. Two peas in a pod really.

Back to the PRS, in 2014 the 6mm Creedmoor was the most popular with competitors and the top 3 averaging cartridges were all 6mm per PRSblog... 6x47, 6XC, & 6mm Creed. The 6.5mm chamberings were close but the .260 wasn't as popular as the 6.5x47 or 6.5mm Creed. Indian or the arrow? We know the Indian has a lot to do with the results, but I find it interesting that the 6mm has become so popular with the PRS guys.

The 243 with 105 (or 6mm Creed, etc), 260 with 123 or 140 (or 6.5 Creed, etc), and 7mm-08 with 162 or 168 all seem to offer the most for the least. Just need to juggle the trade-offs... bullet mass, barrel life, and recoil.

A better question might be, "What gives more for less compared to the 6mm/6.5mm/7mm short actions?" Assuming relatively light hunting rifles, not chunks.

Jason



Seems you can go 108's and make a 260 close to 243/105's and 140's and be in the 7-08/162 ball park.

I don't think there's more ass out of a 308 based case than a 162 Amax.


If I could choose a two-gun most for the lest pair... it'd definitely be .22-250/75s for fun, and 7-08/162s for killin'...

For one-gun most for the least... it's still the .260/123s...

I think MM has the 208s/215s rolling 2550-2600 in his .308s... that's a whole lotta ass outta a .308 case too...


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For like the 5th, or 6th time.....7mm-08, 140's.


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Originally Posted by G46
For like the 5th, or 6th time.....7mm-08, 140's.


For the 8th time... you're wrong....

.260 will do what the 7/08 will do with 140's... simply by virtue of superior bullets alone... thereby being more for less... which is the point after-all. A discernible difference in "ass" can be seen when you step up to the 162/168 in the 7/08... though drift is a wash and recoil is increased... making it the only high Spade in the 7/08' hand... though it very well could be the Ace.


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I am really enjoying the 243AI and 105's, look forward to the 6x47L in the works. The AI is averaging 3075 out of a 22" barrel and in the lands.

Have a 260 planned but I am somewhat thinking about a 6.5x47 and 120-140's but don't think it will do anything better than the 243AI.


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Originally Posted by Dogshooter
Originally Posted by G46
For like the 5th, or 6th time.....7mm-08, 140's.


For the 8th time... you're wrong....

.260 will do what the 7/08 will do with 140's... simply by virtue of superior bullets alone... thereby being more for less... which is the point after-all. A discernible difference in "ass" can be seen when you step up to the 162/168 in the 7/08... though drift is a wash and recoil is increased... making it the only high Spade in the 7/08' hand... though it very well could be the Ace.



We all KNOW the bullets you cite only work on paper... Moot point... Grin...

While I haven't crunched numbers.... A150 Skinner/7-08 combo seems like tits too.

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