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Yep even esteemed and venerated expert Massad ADoobie states that the Glock should not be concealed carry without a manual safety.
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The people establishing the specs are badly misguided.
However, I would like to see a Glock with a manual safety.
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I don't really get the "modular" aspect as being a neccessity
As i've always said with cops. If you can't qualify/ handle the issued gun then the problem is you, not the gun-go find another job I've been a police firearms instructor for 24 years. No gun is a good fit for everybody. Good outfits issue a gun and have an 'approved list' of reliable, reputable alternatives for those that the issue sidearm simply doesn't fit. They still have to qualify with it. Most people can qualify if they will apply the basics of marksmanship, accept constructive criticism and accept the fact that some undertakings involve a little effort and discomfort. Some are unwilling and a tiny percentage are incapable. I cull those PDQ. I have said for decades that if puppy soldiers and policemen can't break it, it can't be broke.
Direct Impingement is the Fart Joke of military rifle operating systems. ⓒ
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Seems like a lot of Glocks out there in police land.
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If i was in charge it would be a easy decision to make, the Glock 17 with only one change, the pistols would be required to have steel sights. Yep!
"Allways speak the truth and you will never have to remember what you said before..." Sam Houston
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Glock wanted to be the main PD gun in the US and priced their agency guns accordingly. They're reliable and durable enough but many find their ergonomics lacking. I'm one of those guys. I know from shooting many quals that I will always shoot my M&P better than my Glock. I'd much rather take the M&P to a fight since its been just as reliable and I shoot it better. Actually, forget that......in a fight I'd be happy with either in my holster as long as I had my AR in hand.
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I don't really get the "modular" aspect as being a neccessity
As i've always said with cops. If you can't qualify/ handle the issued gun then the problem is you, not the gun-go find another job I've been a police firearms instructor for 24 years. No gun is a good fit for everybody. Good outfits issue a gun and have an 'approved list' of reliable, reputable alternatives for those that the issue sidearm simply doesn't fit. They still have to qualify with it. Most people can qualify if they will apply the basics of marksmanship, accept constructive criticism and accept the fact that some undertakings involve a little effort and discomfort. Some are unwilling and a tiny percentage are incapable. I cull those PDQ. I have said for decades that if puppy soldiers and policemen can't break it, it can't be broke. With the technology in place modular is the way to go. That is the way the AR-15's/ M-16's are designed.
I got banned on another web site for a debate that happened on this site. That's a first
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I don't really get the "modular" aspect as being a neccessity
As i've always said with cops. If you can't qualify/ handle the issued gun then the problem is you, not the gun-go find another job I've been a police firearms instructor for 24 years. No gun is a good fit for everybody. Good outfits issue a gun and have an 'approved list' of reliable, reputable alternatives for those that the issue sidearm simply doesn't fit. They still have to qualify with it. Most people can qualify if they will apply the basics of marksmanship, accept constructive criticism and accept the fact that some undertakings involve a little effort and discomfort. Some are unwilling and a tiny percentage are incapable. I cull those PDQ. I have said for decades that if puppy soldiers and policemen can't break it, it can't be broke. The three pistol that is the closest fit for 99% of the people that pick one up is the S&W M&P the 1911 and Browning HP , but this would be to simple for a bureaucrat to ever pick.
A Doe walks out of the woods today and says, that is the last time I'm going to do that for Two Bucks.
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Who would Detonics get to make their pistol if they won? They aren't anywhere near big enough to do it themselves.
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Apparently they've teamed up with STI.
your flippant remarks which you so adeptly sling
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Apparently they've teamed up with STI. Partner up, is how I posted in the original thread that Detonics would go that route.
I got banned on another web site for a debate that happened on this site. That's a first
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Pistols to me are secondary as well, the glock 9's work good enough most of mine have steel night sights.
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I don't really get the "modular" aspect as being a neccessity
As i've always said with cops. If you can't qualify/ handle the issued gun then the problem is you, not the gun-go find another job I've been a police firearms instructor for 24 years. No gun is a good fit for everybody. Good outfits issue a gun and have an 'approved list' of reliable, reputable alternatives for those that the issue sidearm simply doesn't fit. They still have to qualify with it. Most people can qualify if they will apply the basics of marksmanship, accept constructive criticism and accept the fact that some undertakings involve a little effort and discomfort. Some are unwilling and a tiny percentage are incapable. I cull those PDQ. I have said for decades that if puppy soldiers and policemen can't break it, it can't be broke. I don't care about the gun being a good fit for everyone. i care about having to be at the arbitration table because a 5'2 100 pound female thought our Glock 21s were to big for her and kicked too hard for her to qualify with, and according to her lawyer it was the gun's fault she didn't meet her probationary requirements and, thus her employment terminated The agency shouldn't have to shell out for different guns to "fit" everyone individually...you can either cut it with what is given, or find a new job
The government plans these shootings by targeting kids from kindergarten that the government thinks they can control with drugs until the appropriate time--DerbyDude
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Why not give people the option of buying and using what works for them from an approved list?
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We were issued M-15 S&Ws and then switched to the M-9. I qualified higher with the M-15 shooting D/A only. The factory S&W grips fit my hand far better. Aircrew do not need accessory rails, high capacity magazines, or a complicated handgun. KISS is best, especially when you qualify once every 3 years.
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Why not give people the option of buying and using what works for them from an approved list? In theory and maybe with a large dept that gives a uniform allowance I think it would work. But the problem around here was no one wants to spend their own money on something for work. 6 months before I left were were authorized to purchase Sig P226s. Only 3 out of 28 officers did. It also becomes a budgetary issue. Let's say we approve 7 different firearms. That means the instructor has to potentially be sent to 7 different schools to learn manual of arms, not to mention armorers schools
The government plans these shootings by targeting kids from kindergarten that the government thinks they can control with drugs until the appropriate time--DerbyDude
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Why not give people the option of buying and using what works for them from an approved list? Individuality is for artists. Travis
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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Where have you been? This place hasn't been the same.
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I took my kids to Disneyworld.
Was temporarily committed immediately after. Scheduled for release tomorrow.
Travis
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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Detox. LOL
Good for you, however I am going to go out on a limb and say it's Disneyworld where ever you are, in a good way. Lots of fun and entertaining.
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