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For years certain elements push for the five San Antonio Missions to be on the United Nation's list of World Heritage Sites. Last year the State of Texas takes over management of the Alamo from the Daughters of the Republic of Texas, Phil Collins donates his large collection of Alamo-related artifacts with the understanding a museum would be established to house them, and the State sets up a coalition of prominent business leaders to raise 250 million for an entire revamp/restoration of the original Alamo grounds, now buried under buildings, pavement, flower beds and a cenotaph on the Alamo Plaza. Plans are to restore the south and west walls of the old compound (removing a section of a street, and some 1880's storefronts and buildings), and to make the old multi-story Post Office building over the original north wall into a museum. Enter the Feds, and the UN.... http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2015/07/244631.htmThe Department of State welcomes yesterday’s decision by UNESCO’s World Heritage Committee to inscribe the San Antonio Missions in Texas, a series of four missions making up a U.S. National Historical Park, plus the Alamo, as a UNESCO World Heritage site. Why does this matter? Here's the UN regs regarding World Heritage sites... http://whc.unesco.org/archive/opguide13-en.pdf86. In relation to authenticity, the reconstruction of archaeological remains or historic buildings or districts is justifiable only in exceptional circumstances. Reconstruction is acceptable only on the basis of complete and detailed documentation and to no extent on conjecture.The middle aged lady who is head of the San Antonio Conservation Society raised this objection at a city meeting headed by the very partisan Democrat then-Mayor Julian Castro not too long ago. She opposed any alterations, I dunno her politics. Dammit, we gotta get this thing done while it can BE done. Already the National Park Service doesn't allow "confrontational" historical reenactments at the four missions it controls. Fortunately it is difficult to imagine Gov. Abbott, Texas Land Commissioner George P. Bush and the rest of the present Texas powers that be giving a rip what the UN says. But.... applications at least for approval by the UN seem probable, and it gives the Feds grounds for objecting. You don't suppose the present Administration would have any objection to celebrating and restoring something like the Alamo do ya? I mean that could get divisive Hard to believe this is all coincidence. Birdwatcher
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The U.N. and the Federales need to keep away from that monument.
Had nothing to with either of them then, and it doesn't now.
Abbott needs to step on their tails now.
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The U.N. and the Federales need to keep away from that monument.
Had nothing to with either of them then, and it doesn't now.
Abbott needs to step on their tails now. Agreed! Fugg the U.N.
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Wouldn't be happening if the South had won.
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Wouldn't be happening if the South had won. by "South" do you mean Mexico?
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Looks like we may have to have a second go at it.
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For years certain elements push for the five San Antonio Missions to be on the United Nation's list of World Heritage Sites. Last year the State of Texas takes over management of the Alamo from the Daughters of the Republic of Texas, Phil Collins donates his large collection of Alamo-related artifacts with the understanding a museum would be established to house them, and the State sets up a coalition of prominent business leaders to raise 250 million for an entire revamp/restoration of the original Alamo grounds, now buried under buildings, pavement, flower beds and a cenotaph on the Alamo Plaza. Plans are to restore the south and west walls of the old compound (removing a section of a street, and some 1880's storefronts and buildings), and to make the old multi-story Post Office building over the original north wall into a museum. Enter the Feds, and the UN.... http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2015/07/244631.htmThe Department of State welcomes yesterday’s decision by UNESCO’s World Heritage Committee to inscribe the San Antonio Missions in Texas, a series of four missions making up a U.S. National Historical Park, plus the Alamo, as a UNESCO World Heritage site. Why does this matter? Here's the UN regs regarding World Heritage sites... http://whc.unesco.org/archive/opguide13-en.pdf86. In relation to authenticity, the reconstruction of archaeological remains or historic buildings or districts is justifiable only in exceptional circumstances. Reconstruction is acceptable only on the basis of complete and detailed documentation and to no extent on conjecture.The middle aged lady who is head of the San Antonio Conservation Society raised this objection at a city meeting headed by the very partisan Democrat then-Mayor Julian Castro not too long ago. She opposed any alterations, I dunno her politics. Dammit, we gotta get this thing done while it can BE done. Already the National Park Service doesn't allow "confrontational" historical reenactments at the four missions it controls. Fortunately it is difficult to imagine Gov. Abbott, Texas Land Commissioner George P. Bush and the rest of the present Texas powers that be giving a rip what the UN says. But.... applications at least for approval by the UN seem probable, and it gives the Feds grounds for objecting. You don't suppose the present Administration would have any objection to celebrating and restoring something like the Alamo do ya? I mean that could get divisive Hard to believe this is all coincidence. Birdwatcher One of the local attractions just up the road from me was designated a World Heritage Site a few years back, and apart from a few signs nothing has changed.. It seems to be a prestige thing more than anything..Work around the site continues as normal and there have been no sightings of any Blue Berets, or black helicopters as yet...
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Wouldn't be happening if the South had won. by "South" do you mean Mexico? Mexicans are the ones that tore down the Alamo compound in the first place; on their way out in '36, so they wouldn't have to take it again when they came back. ..and they DID come back and take it again in '42, twice, said invasions once again being courtesy of the minions of Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna. We owe Santa Anna a debt of gratitude; when he caused that to happen it became glaringly obvious how, six years after independence, the struggling Republic of Texas (pop. around 100,000 in 1840) still could not summon the military wherewithal to defend itself against a major invasion. This in turn gave the impetus for annexation, something not possible before because Texas woulda come into the Union as it eventually did as a Slave State, but, the feeling was if we didn't take Texas, France or Britain or Mexico could. Texas today if the South had won? Hard to predict. Birdwatcher
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Wouldn't be happening if the South had won. Correct Texas would be a colony of Spain or France. This continent would not resemble what we have now, had the nation fractured. You would not have served in Alaska; it would be Russian again. My crystal ball works in reverse as well as forward.
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A big central authority comes in and takes over a state issue, you should be fine with it and welcome them.
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One of the local attractions just up the road from me was designated a World Heritage Site a few years back, and apart from a few signs nothing has changed.. Pete, and a bunch of historical sites in the US are also designated. But the problem is at this particular point in time the issue at the Alamo isn't PRESERVATION but RESTORATION, a thing specifically censured by the UN regs. Also, at this pivotal point in our history, how we VIEW our history is under attack. Birdwatcher
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It's not much different than what the North did. I'm fine with the UN stepping in, that's what everyone seems to want.
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A big central authority comes in and takes over a state issue, you should be fine with it and welcome them. Your right! Lincoln did it all by hisself! Them other half a million guys who actually did the fighting weren't really fighting to "preserve the Union", even though they wrote that they were.
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There is no coincidences in obamaland. It's all planned out, long ago.
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One of the local attractions just up the road from me was designated a World Heritage Site a few years back, and apart from a few signs nothing has changed.. Pete, and a bunch of historical sites in the US are also designated. But the problem is at this particular point in time the issue at the Alamo isn't PRESERVATION but RESTORATION, a thing specifically censured by the UN regs. Also, at this pivotal point in our history, how we VIEW our history is under attack. Birdwatcher The UN has no authority over the site..If Texas knocks it down and builds a Walmart there, the worst that will happen is that it will loose its accreditation.. Your concern should be the Feds and why they have a finger in this particular Texan pie...
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A big central authority comes in and takes over a state issue, you should be fine with it and welcome them. Your right! Lincoln did it all by hisself! Them other half a million guys who actually did the fighting weren't really fighting to "preserve the Union", even though they wrote that they were. It's different when the big central authority comes at you isn't it? Just like it was when Lincoln invaded Virginia.
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lol, how many Bushes do you folks keep in the political pipeline?
No doubt the UN would eventually bastardize the site for their ends, good luck.
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Birdy, isnt a mission in fact a church? Well, seperation of church and state.
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There is no coincidences in obamaland. It's all planned out, long ago. Julian Castro, who gave the big speech at the Democratic National Convention last time around (as Obama did, when he was being similarly groomed) has since been called to the Obama cabinet in DC as Housing Secretary. At the time the talk was he was being prepared to be Hillary's running mate. If he becomes VPOTUS all this Alamo stuff is gonna hit the fan. Castro's single mom, Rosie, was a Radical Latino activist in the '70's, in a Hispanic Texas that by and large doesn't give a rip about such things. Because of her radical politics she was purposefully kept out of the public eye during his Texas career, first as a City Councilman then as Mayor. Much like his hero, the President, Castro lies far to the Left politically and is likewise a Harvard-educated lawyer.Once in as Mayor, Castro and his cronies actually renamed a fine old historic street downtown Cesar Chavez Blvd, tho' likewise no-one Hispanic around here really give a rip about Cesar Chavez (they should, Chavez was actually outspoken against illegal immigration). These are indeed perilous times for the future of the Alamo. If this major revamp ain't pulled off now likely it never will be. Birdwatcher
"...if the gentlemen of Virginia shall send us a dozen of their sons, we would take great care in their education, instruct them in all we know, and make men of them." Canasatego 1744
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