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If you had to choose a heavy factory 223? #10143350 07/14/15
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OP m77 Campfire Regular Joined: Aug 2012 Posts: 794	Good day. Just for interest sake, if you could choose any new heavy barreled 223 rem factory rifle up to around $1200 for both varmint and target shooting what would you buy? Pieter

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Re: If you had to choose a heavy factory 223? m77 #10143454 07/14/15
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Darkker Campfire Member Joined: Jan 2013 Posts: 378 SE Wa	M77 MKII, or their Predator I'm a firm believer in the theory of " If it bleeds, I can kill it".

Re: If you had to choose a heavy factory 223? m77 #10143678 07/14/15
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keith Campfire Tracker K Joined: Feb 2002 Posts: 7,197	These rifles will shoot under 1/2" Groups: http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=494954939 there is also a Stainless version of this exact rifle that Runs around $699 They have an upgraded version with a Bell and Carlson Varmint stock with the Al bedding block in it and a 26" fluted barrel. All these rifles are simply tack drivers with a little bit of load development. Good luck

Re: If you had to choose a heavy factory 223? keith #10143722 07/14/15
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deflave Campfire Sage Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 115,424 South Florida	A Howa with the laminated stock. They're 1-9s" now. Travis Originally Posted by Geno67 Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Originally Posted by Judman Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. Originally Posted by KSMITH My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house

Re: If you had to choose a heavy factory 223? m77 #10145690 07/14/15
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devnull Campfire Regular D Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 2,932	Sako 85 in a tight twist.

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Re: If you had to choose a heavy factory 223? m77 #10146462 07/14/15
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Dave_Skinner Campfire Outfitter Joined: May 2003 Posts: 10,425 The Treasure State	Salvage 10 anything ugly. Spend the rest on glass. Up hills slow, Down hills fast Tonnage first and Safety last.

Re: If you had to choose a heavy factory 223? m77 #10146806 07/14/15
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FieldGrade Campfire Ranger Joined: Sep 2012 Posts: 18,243 North Central Idaho	CZ 527 Kevlar Varminter. I prefer the American but you said "heavy".

Re: If you had to choose a heavy factory 223? m77 #10147486 07/15/15
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drover Campfire Tracker D Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 6,366 Idaho	I bought a new Rem 700 SPS in 223 for $500 a few months ago, did nothing but tighten the action screws, install a scope, used one of my favorite handloads and immediately began to shoot 3/4" five shot groups. I spent another $100 and put a Timney trigger in it and with the better trigger it now groups d5 shots into a 1/2" more often than not. It definitely fits heavy catagorey, I haven't weighed it but with a 6-24 Weaver on it I am guessing around 10.5#. drover 223 Rem, my favorite cartridge - you can't argue with truckloads of dead PD's and gophers. 24hourcampfire.com - The site where there is a problem for every solution.

Re: If you had to choose a heavy factory 223? Dave_Skinner #10148320 07/15/15
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ELKiller Campfire Regular Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 762 SW Colorado	Originally Posted by Dave_Skinner Salvage 10 anything ugly. Spend the rest on glass. This. My cheap Savage 10 is a tack driver with 55gr BT's, LC brass, and TAC. You can get fancier rifles, that's for sure, but it's not necessary to shoot itty-bitty groups and coyotes.

Re: If you had to choose a heavy factory 223? m77 #10148334 07/15/15
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WyoCoyoteHunter Campfire Ranger W Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 17,773 Wyoming	drover, you shoot any of the .223 AI's... I have been considering one to avoid trimming brass.... Molon Labe

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Re: If you had to choose a heavy factory 223? m77 #10149128 07/15/15
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Re: If you had to choose a heavy factory 223? m77 #10149318 07/15/15
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ingwe Campfire Oracle Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Southwestern Montucky	Ruger 77 Predator "...the left considers you vermin, and they'll kill you given the chance..." Bristoe

Re: If you had to choose a heavy factory 223? WyoCoyoteHunter #10150696 07/15/15
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drover Campfire Tracker D Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 6,366 Idaho	Originally Posted by WyoCoyoteHunter drover, you shoot any of the .223 AI's... I have been considering one to avoid trimming brass.... I have always stuck with the standard 223 although like you I do get tired of trimming. drover 223 Rem, my favorite cartridge - you can't argue with truckloads of dead PD's and gophers. 24hourcampfire.com - The site where there is a problem for every solution.

Re: If you had to choose a heavy factory 223? m77 #10150894 07/15/15
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Buckskin Campfire Regular Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 727	Remington, original VS-SF. Great stock, aluminum bedding block, and adjustable trigger. Heavy, stable, and accurate!! Respects, Richard Cat, the other white meat!

Re: If you had to choose a heavy factory 223? m77 #10151042 07/15/15
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OP m77 Campfire Regular Joined: Aug 2012 Posts: 794	How do you guys rate the Savage 12 LRPV single shot rifles? Pieter

Re: If you had to choose a heavy factory 223? m77 #10151518 07/15/15
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FieldGrade Campfire Ranger Joined: Sep 2012 Posts: 18,243 North Central Idaho	I shot one in 6BR that was super accurate. The LRPV's the only Savage I'd even consider owning but that stupid trigger would have to go. Which is another reason to buy a CZ. Their single set trigger is leagues ahead of others in this price range. 9 twist too if that matters.

Re: If you had to choose a heavy factory 223? m77 #10151674 07/16/15
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deflave Campfire Sage Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 115,424 South Florida	Originally Posted by m77 How do you guys rate the Savage 12 LRPV single shot rifles? Pieter They are very accurate pieces of schit IME. Travis Originally Posted by Geno67 Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Originally Posted by Judman Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. Originally Posted by KSMITH My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house

Re: If you had to choose a heavy factory 223? deflave #10151680 07/16/15
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ingwe Campfire Oracle Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Southwestern Montucky	Yep. Accurate. impractical. Heavy. And a piece of schitt. "...the left considers you vermin, and they'll kill you given the chance..." Bristoe

Re: If you had to choose a heavy factory 223? m77 #10151812 07/16/15
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shrapnel Campfire Ranger Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 24,501 Bozeman, MT	You can't beat a Garcia era Sako, and you can still pick them up in that price range. Fast twist is wasted on a 223. 40 grain V-Max will really make it shine...

Re: If you had to choose a heavy factory 223? shrapnel #10151836 07/16/15
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deflave Campfire Sage Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 115,424 South Florida	Originally Posted by shrapnel You can't beat a Garcia era Sako, and you can still pick them up in that price range. He lives in Australia and I don't think they have the used market we have. Otherwise I would agree. Travis Originally Posted by Geno67 Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Originally Posted by Judman Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. Originally Posted by KSMITH My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house

Re: If you had to choose a heavy factory 223? m77 #10151856 07/16/15
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Royce Campfire Tracker R Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 4,950 zip code 59602	You could buy a regular Tikka, tie a bag of shot to either swivel, and throw away the other $600.

Re: If you had to choose a heavy factory 223? deflave #10153744 07/16/15
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shrapnel Campfire Ranger Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 24,501 Bozeman, MT	Originally Posted by deflave Originally Posted by shrapnel You can't beat a Garcia era Sako, and you can still pick them up in that price range. He lives in Australia and I don't think they have the used market we have. Otherwise I would agree. Travis Throwing a boomerang beats shooting that other junk...

Re: If you had to choose a heavy factory 223? m77 #10153808 07/16/15
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WyoCoyoteHunter Campfire Ranger W Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 17,773 Wyoming	shrapnel, I thought you were to be fishing the Lamar River on Thursdays?????? Molon Labe

Re: If you had to choose a heavy factory 223? m77 #10153854 07/16/15
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shrapnel Campfire Ranger Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 24,501 Bozeman, MT	I did, I am headed back to Bozeman after a decent afternoon on the Lamar. I would post pictures, but the only pictures that were taken were by tourists on the highway...

Re: If you had to choose a heavy factory 223? shrapnel #10153866 07/16/15
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deflave Campfire Sage Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 115,424 South Florida	Originally Posted by shrapnel Throwing a boomerang beats shooting that other junk... Tough to beat stainless/synthetic boomerang. Travis Originally Posted by Geno67 Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Originally Posted by Judman Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. Originally Posted by KSMITH My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house

Re: If you had to choose a heavy factory 223? deflave #10153956 07/16/15
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shrapnel Campfire Ranger Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 24,501 Bozeman, MT	Originally Posted by deflave Originally Posted by shrapnel Throwing a boomerang beats shooting that other junk... Tough to beat stainless/synthetic boomerang. Travis You forgot fast twist...

Re: If you had to choose a heavy factory 223? deflave #10156012 07/16/15
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OP m77 Campfire Regular Joined: Aug 2012 Posts: 794	Originally Posted by deflave Originally Posted by m77 How do you guys rate the Savage 12 LRPV single shot rifles? Pieter They are very accurate pieces of schit IME. Travis Travis, that is one of the better rifle descriptions I have heard to date

Re: If you had to choose a heavy factory 223? shrapnel #10156016 07/16/15
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OP m77 Campfire Regular Joined: Aug 2012 Posts: 794	Originally Posted by shrapnel Originally Posted by deflave Originally Posted by shrapnel Throwing a boomerang beats shooting that other junk... Tough to beat stainless/synthetic boomerang. Travis You forgot fast twist... We do not throw boomerangs in South-Africa, but I will keep that in mind Pieter

Re: If you had to choose a heavy factory 223? m77 #10172474 07/20/15
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Re: If you had to choose a heavy factory 223? m77 #10182904 07/22/15
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rainierrifleco Campfire Tracker R Joined: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,777 SE Neb	Of having over 20 dedicated varmint rifles....the one I really like using is the rem 700 tactical....it's not stock by any means...trigger bolt knob firing pin and hs stock....the platform just works, the right weight and balance and really shoots just about any load I feed it.. Still my favorite would be the l461 sako but I don't have one in 223..

Re: If you had to choose a heavy factory 223? drover #10199170 07/26/15
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DaddyRat Campfire Regular D Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,498 Weaverville NC	Originally Posted by drover I bought a new Rem 700 SPS in 223 for $500 a few months ago, did nothing but tighten the action screws, install a scope, used one of my favorite handloads and immediately began to shoot 3/4" five shot groups. I spent another $100 and put a Timney trigger in it and with the better trigger it now groups d5 shots into a 1/2" more often than not. It definitely fits heavy catagorey, I haven't weighed it but with a 6-24 Weaver on it I am guessing around 10.5#. drover I second this. Not pretty, kinda heavy, but accurate. I was able to adjust the trigger in mine instead of changing it out. My scope is a 4-12 Nikon Monarch. Quickly becoming a favorite gun.

Re: If you had to choose a heavy factory 223? m77 #10205492 07/27/15
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whelennut Campfire Tracker W Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 6,698 Minnesota	Pieter, Good day sir. I have three rifles in the safe that fit that description. A Winchester Heavy Varmint, a Remington 700 Varmint Synthetic, and a Howa heavy stainless. The Winchester was my favorite and then I bought the Howa for my son and I prefer that now. whelennut

Re: If you had to choose a heavy factory 223? m77 #10236014 08/03/15
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OP m77 Campfire Regular Joined: Aug 2012 Posts: 794	I appreciate all the information guys. I think the one thing that makes the savage fairly attractive is the ease of changing barrels. How good is the HS stocks on the LRPV? Pieter

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