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My rifle shoots the Buffalo Ball-et about as well as anything. It is a .54 with 1:48 twist, never tried it in a fast twist.

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Ballets shoot better beyond 50 yards with a slower twist like the 48 (for instance). You can also gain a little more distance and accuracy using a fiber wad or 30-40 grains of cornmeal between the powder and ballet.

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Originally Posted by bigblock455
250gr Aerolite would be perfect. Especially with around 80 grains BH209.


Bought 60 of these bullets to give them a shot. Man they're expensive to say the least! I wish they'd offer them in larger quantities than 15. At almost $2 a bullet I hope they shoot well.

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50 grs. of 2F, and a round ball..... My brother and I started shooting that load when we weighed about 40 pounds. It will kill a deer deader than a hammer...

And don't worry about real black powder corroding your gun like crazy. Just run a couple patches down it and you're good. I've shot more black powder than any other powder in my life, and my muzzleloaders have always shot great.


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I will not load a light, sub-224 grain ML bullet of any design, with less than 80 grains of powder. I demand of myself humane kills, out to 100 yards.
If you are only using 50 grains with a 177gr round bullet, that shot needs to be relatively close....... somewhere in the 50 yard ballpark.

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I agree it is a light load, but for a young girl and 50-60 yard shots, it will be more than adequate....

60 grs and a .45 here.... Neck shots only...grin

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How big is she and how much recoil is too much? A simple matter of physics, the heavier the projectile and the faster it is moving when it clears the muzzle, the more the felt recoil all other things being equal. Absent a sabot, the lightest projectile will be the PRB. Assuming the guns fit her equally well, I would pick the gun that has the slowest twist rate, and if both the same, the heavier gun. I believe with reduced charges the faster twist can still deliver reasonable accuracy, at least at the ranges we are talking about here. I have a light TC New Englander .54 that rattles my tooth fillings when loaded with 100gr Pyro RS behind 435gr Maxi Ball. I wanted a 50 yard PRB load for jackrabbits, but rather than fiddling with the sights that were dead on at 100 yards with the hunting load, I backed off the powder until the PRB found the x-ring at 50 yards, which is a 40gr charge. Recoil is about like an M-1 carbine and it makes clover leafs in the 50 yard target.

Good luck to your young lady on the hunt.


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That's a big doe.


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Originally Posted by Pappy348
That's a big doe.


I dunno, they said they only weighed 40 lbs???

Seriously, that is one nice doe!

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Nice Job on the Doe ..
What I would recommend is getting her out and doing some shooting . Start off with that light load and slowly move up , giving her time to get used to each load . you might just be suprised at the laod she can shoot .She is going to define her range with accuracy and load .

With a 50 cal , a load of 50-65 grains backing a patched round ball will be more then enough and recoil wont be all that heavy unless she is shooting a synthetic or light wood stock . I shoot 80 grains of 3F in my 54 and that does just fine on mule deer and even elk at closer ranges under 50 yards . On mule deer , that charge works fine out to 100 which is my limit when hunting with a muzzleloader , doesn’t mater if im shooting a heavy conical and 110 grains or not .
My wife uses a lighter load in her 50 even for elk . But then we are for the most part in the 25-40 yard range and hunting cows .
Again I would let her decide her acceptable range . Teach her to Hunt . Explain to her why she needs to get within a given range and how that range is going to change as she grows and gains knowledge from practice .
Teach her that passing up a shot isn’t the end of the world ,No shame in it . That it’s the responsible thing to do when it not safe or within her or her chosen weapons range .
spend time now by getting her out and teaching her to stalk and track . if your hunting from standsor blinds . teach her how to pick location , judge distance ....... ther is alot to teach


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I added more lube to mine, SPG or liquid Lee Alox worked fine.
They run around 240gr so a bit heavier than a PRB.
I'll rummage and see if I have any left in my goodie box.


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Well this endeavor is costing me even more money! I bought a bottle of BH209, and a lot of different bullets to try. Then I was reading online that the BH209 and the primer carrier with the H&R aren't compatible, so I wound up ordering a Metrics Unlimited breech plug.

I tried to order the Precision Rifle breech plug but they were out but i did order some of their Ultimate number 1 semi spitzers to try. Now I'm thinking of ordering a couple of aperture sights for both rifles, just to increase the range in case I ever want to chase game again with these rifles.


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