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This probably belongs in the workout thread but I didn't want it to get lost in there.

I've been using curcumin and tart cherry juice to help with an arthritic ankle. Neither one is as good as NSAIDs but they both help.

Any others out there that you've had good results with?

Cortisone injections.

Aside from that, I've been taking turmeric and flax oil caps. Can't hurt.

I've had some of those myself. Do you consider cortisone injections: 1) natural, and 2) a long-term proposition?

My wife just started me on the tart cherry juice. How much do you take and what is curcumin ?

(1) No

(2) That is probably inevitable.

There are no naturals. Everything works because there is some kind of medicinal in there. Ex: Red Rice yeast lowers cholesterol because there is statin compound that does the work. Digitalis leaf works because it contains digoxin. Tumeric contain curcumin.

Problem with the naturals is the active ingredient is not consistent, nor are they regulated for consistent potency. Ingrediant concentrations change due to soil it was grown in, where it was grown, etc. There are also side effects with the naturals along with possible adverse interactions with other meds you may be taking.

Regulation of the naturals for consistency is extremely lax or non-existent. There may be a little in there or a lot.

Not saying naturals don't work, however like with other standard medications there are possible adverse events that may occur and they can hurt.

Smoke, a few 1000 mg caps of salmon oil is a pretty good antinflammitory and may help prevent several diseases associated with inflammation. Also, consider bromelane.

Id also rec 1400 mg of glucosamine chondroitin twice a day.

Like Battue said, it's an extract of Turmeric. Seems to work.

On the cherry juice, 8 oz of twice a day.

eyeball, thanks. I should have clarified, I've been taking fish oil for a while now, as well as glucosamine/chondroitin/MSM.

I've heard of bromelain but never tried it, I'll have to check that out.

I know the G/C/MSM works because when I don't take it I hurt more. I take fish oil more for the heart but I'm sure it helps too. Also, lots of walnuts and almonds.

What do you think you are, a pharmacist or something?

If there are no "naturals" as you say, and everything comes from something else, which plants are ibuprofen and voltaren extracted from?

The G/C really help me, and very quickly, when my hands started aching when I hit 55 or so. I'm taking G/MSM right now for general "old man achey legs" and it seems to be working, just not as quickly. I usually just buy whatever combo is on sale when I run out without regard for brand or particular mixture. I gave up on the fishy stuff as I read a number of pieces on it that cast serious doubt on the initial research and evidence that started the fad. I may be missing out on something, but I no longer have walrus breath either.

I only have walrus breath occasionally, when I burp.

The active ingredients in Aspirin comes from a willow tree. Some guy in England looked at it and kept modifying the structures until he arrived at ibuprofen. Sooooo. Well you get it. 😀

Told you, I don't know jack squat about voltaren.

Ibuprofen comes from salicylic acid?

Bourbon.

1 oz every 15 minutes until pain diminishes. Do not exceed more than 20 doses in a 6 hour period.


Your Welcome. Dr cv540

Not directly, but they looked at some other carbo-phenyl something acids in ASA and twisted them around until they came up with ibuprofen.

In other words, it's synthetic.

That's good for around the house, although I prefer Scotch.

On the trail, not so much.

Yes, but then again so is ASA.

For myself, ASA works the best for short term general pain relief. Motrin comes close. On the prescription side Celebex. Vioxx was spectacular, but is no longer with us. MD friend felt it was the the equivalent of Vicodan.

When it comes to serious general pain relief, none of the so called naturals will match any of the above.

Take it to the bank fish breath.

No need to be insulting. Besides, I'm pretty sure that your astute observation on the relative effectiveness of naturals was already made; read it and weep, fart-blossom:



And if vioxx was as good as vicodin, you'd still be abusing it.