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Maybe. But where there is one, there is usually more than one. I can't see Savage just throwing old stock out. That makes no sense either. There are plenty oddball 99's out there. It makes for a sound argument, but I still doubt there was an exact stop point. The whole thing is weird, including the OP's letter from Savage, which started all this.
I like 99's and occasionally pick up a beater to mess around with, but am hardly a collector. I will tell you a true story. Before the internet came along, you had to deal with SAAMI on the phone if there was something not in their book. Sometimes they had the information, but it was not printed in the book. I wanted a copy of a chamber drawing for a .22 HiPower to make a reamer. The guy on the other end said "I never heard of that". Then he said "Hello?", because I was speechless and he thought I had hung up. Just because he never heard of it did not make it less real.

I have a Chicopee 250 F barrel with V threads. But you all know that. there are one or two odd ducks around I'm guessing.

Anywaaay, the local sports shop called and my rifle is in. I might get over there Saturday. Now I can see if I guessed right or bought a very expensive parts gun.

There are some tang safety post mil-99's with Chicopee barrel addresses. Wonder if they're square thread or V thread? I had one for a short time and figured it was a leftover pre-mil barrel.

David, there are probably some very early 1960 guns with Chicopee Falls barrels that are square threaded, and others that are V threaded. If the barrel was threaded at Chicopee Falls it would have been square and I bet they would have square threaded a receiver to use it up rather than toss it. If the barrel hadn't been threaded yet, it probably would have been done with V threads. If I recall, we've seen a very few samples of both - Fireball2's barrel is probably one of the latter.

But guns put together to use up leftover parts isn't what we are really talking about... We all know never to say never.

But all new production of barrels at Westfield was V threads as far as anybody has been able to tell. And no rifles made And assembled at Chicopee Falls with 1959 or earlier date codes should have V threads.

Since you asked for the opinion of a former Savage employee that worked the line how about you contact John Callahan. He is presently the Savage Historian and the source of all "Factory" letters these days. His contact info is posted in the Misc Good Info thread above. Just admit you made a mistake and move on.

And I believe he's on a VERY well deserved vacation as we speak.

skidrow, I may have been confused as to the serial number sequence, but make no mistake about this: There are 99's out there that have "V" threads on the barrel under the 1 million mark. I know it disrupts your collecting agendas, but that is the way it is. There is a BIG difference between a collector and some one that can actually work on one. I have seen a lot of unsubstantiated rumors on this forum. Instead of actually trying to get the facts together, the norm seems to be to "Move on". There does seem to be quite a following on this forum that actually likes to shoot their rifles and have an interest in the mechanical aspects.

So you talk about seeing unsubstantiated rumors on this forum while at the same time saying there are premil receivers with V threads....

Epic irony has been reached.

Ha, Ha. I was on the way off and noticed the Collectors Assessment post.

Yes. No proof what so ever and the one million rumor lives on. Two people on this forum have had the barrels from a pre-million time period and one has the receiver it came out of. There are probably more. Even Murray's book (Yes, I have one) constantly uses "(approx.)" liberally throughout the book when dating items. Curiously enough, I just noticed that the change to longer cartridges is mentioned. "a longer magazine carrier was adopted to accommodate the rimless...." Nowhere is making the receiver longer mentioned, a rumor that was on this forum many times.

Sorry, the rumor you are promoting that the 243/308/358 was discussed as having longer receivers needs to be verified. Can you provide links to a few of these "many times" that lengthened receivers were talked about?

I'm not going back looking for specific posts, but over the years it's been called a few different things, all rather loosely discussed at times. I myself have asked about the exact nature of the change due to the ambiguity of the early info.

Newer folks occasionally mention longer receivers for the 243/308/358, but the lowly and uninformed collectors here set them right as soon as it's brought up. Kind of like folks wandering in and thinking there were thread changes when the 243/308/358 was introduced. We try to set them right as soon as it's mentioned.

So you acknowledge that they have been called "longer receivers", proving gunplummers point.

The reference to the receiver being lengthened has been very infrequent and quickly put to rest by a simple explanation of the facts. Or, what Calhoun said.

No.. he did not say longer receivers had been mentioned here, he said longer receivers were "a rumor that was on this forum many times."

Having folks who pop in and mention longer receivers once or twice a year and be corrected immediately doesn't make it a rumor that's being propagated by this site.

You know, this has been kind of fun but it's getting counter productive. Since Gunplummer is brighter than anybody and everybody on here and wants to continue to go his way where A serial numbered rifles were made in the 50's and there are tens of thousands of V threaded premil 243's/308's/358's out there, then God Bless him.

Yeah, I have had enough nonsense. As usual, I have not learned a damn thing other than somewhere around a million the serial numbers were reset. I sent a section of receiver out to someone on this forum that was going to get the chemical composition checked where he worked. Never heard anything. I guess that was BS too. There is another classic rumor. "The receivers were not heat treated before the longer cartridges came along or were re-heat treated when the longer cartridges came along". What BS. People that work on guns can not afford to just fly with "It only makes sense" kind of facts.

Good Night GP. I'm sure that you work on a lot of firearms in your dreams. Take care, have a nice day and thanks for all the fish.