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I run PSA bolts in 2 different guns, probably a combined 3500 rounds. Both bolts good to go. I would have no problems running another one. Assuming you didn't just run 3k of ammo today your rifles probably are not CURRENT...as the title of the thread indicates. Therefore your addition to the conversation is, in a word, irrelevant. ![[Linked Image]](http://thecarousel.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/fourweektrial.jpg) Now are they trying to heat treat these Chinese bolts they have not sold yet or are they trying to heat treat Chinese bolts they have already sold and they already cracked which is what you stated?
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There's a lot more to a BCG than just saying that it's "mil-spec". What about the quality of the spring used for the extractor? What about the quality of the staking for the gas key? Those are things that matter, a lot. Probably more than the steel used in the carrier.
And in my experience of one, PSA sucks balls for extractor springs. Just printing "MPI" in the advertisement doesn't necessarily make it quality.
The "G" in "BCG" would apply to spring, rings, bolt, extractor, staking, cam pin, firing pin, firing pin retaining pin, gas key, cap screws, and so on. Don't think they print "MPI" in the advertisement concerning the extractor spring.
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Don't worry, those of us with a brain knew exactly what Blue was saying. Other countries are prohibited from importing certain parts but there's plenty of small parts being sold from over yonder and I'd imagine bolts would be part of those small parts. Though in fairness, if I was caught selling junk parts, I'd deny it as long as I could too. There's a reason why I only use quality parts from companies I trust, take this new barrel I have on order made from Reardon steel... 
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Don't worry, those of us with a brain knew exactly what Blue was saying. Other countries are prohibited from importing certain parts but there's plenty of small parts being sold from over yonder and I'd imagine bolts would be part of those small parts. Though in fairness, if I was caught selling junk parts, I'd deny it as long as I could too. There's a reason why I only use quality parts from companies I trust, take this new barrel I have on order made from Reardon steel... Lots of ignorant people delight each other in conversations in which none of them have a clue what the other is talking about so of course you would pipe up. A bolt carrier group is just that. It is not the bolt by itself or the bolt carrier by itself. The US prohibits many foreign made semi-auto parts thanks to the triumphs of the Bush family in placing gun control laws on the books outside the legislative process. You have already indicated you don't know the difference between a group of parts and individual parts and wish to chime in with other lack minded individuals to support each other.
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Knew I'd have to explain it to you so here goes, the thread is about the bolt and the bolt is what they mark MPI, the extractor and spring is part of this bolt so if one part is junk, like Blue said about the extractor spring, chances are good the rest of the parts are junk too. Though they could still mark it MPI, It, meaning the bolt, which is part of the bolt carrier group, though the bolt is the only part they test and mark but some companies only batch test so not all their marked bolts are really tested and while we're at it, unless they HPT before they MPI, they are waisting their time.
Try and keep up.
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Everybody is always looking for a good deal but I just see no point in a race to the bottom when I purchase the thing that holds the cartridge head away from my face and eyes. If you ever see a gun accident then you think some. I saw a guys son that I hunt with tattoo his face with burned/unburned powder when his dad loaded a .270win into a .280 bolt gun, lucky his eye was up close to the scope. Some also wants to light fireworks mortars on their heads, I don't know, but cannot feel sorry for morons. The cheapest BCG I have is a 6.8spc from Stag at $135.00, hope its not a chinese import, so far 40 rounds and it has not let go yet.....
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I'm not pushing the PSA as a top of the line bolt. Just that this rumor has been circulating and I decided to get PSA's input on it. Whether you like to base your decision on hearsay or information from the manufacturer is up to you. I don't own a PSA bolt and personally prefer Daniel Defense or BCM if I were buying a new one because as Blue said, there is more to it than the steel.
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Straight from the horses mouth:
"Thank you for your responses. Not only do we not use Chinese bolts, but it is our understanding that there is a federal law against importing firearms and their parts from China. This is just another unfounded gun show rumor.
Palmetto State Armory"
-PSA Palmetto State Arms CEO  ![[Linked Image]](http://photos.imageevent.com/lucky/stillerxtrifle/large/1280x720-rjT.jpg) Could this be true? I suppose maybe it's possible but I really have a hard time believing it. I'm going to a gun show this afternoon. I'll try to confirm it.
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Knew I'd have to explain it to you so here goes, the thread is about the bolt and the bolt is what they mark MPI, the extractor and spring is part of this bolt so if one part is junk, like Blue said about the extractor spring, chances are good the rest of the parts are junk too. Though they could still mark it MPI, It, meaning the bolt, which is part of the bolt carrier group, though the bolt is the only part they test and mark but some companies only batch test so not all their marked bolts are really tested and while we're at it, unless they HPT before they MPI, they are waisting their time.
Try and keep up. BCG is bolt carrier group. Ahh yes, 1 spring failing for what ever reason is evidence of everything being wrong and the whole thing should be scrapped. Car dealers in both of your areas probably dick with your windshield wipers and tire pressure so you will come in for a trade(massive loss on your side) out of pure disgust with the faulty equipment. Are you sure you need to explain anything to anyone considering that issue and your failed attempt at letting us know what they are doing with time?
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Everybody is always looking for a good deal but I just see no point in a race to the bottom when I purchase the thing that holds the cartridge head away from my face and eyes. If you ever see a gun accident then you think some. I saw a guys son that I hunt with tattoo his face with burned/unburned powder when his dad loaded a .270win into a .280 bolt gun, lucky his eye was up close to the scope. Some also wants to light fireworks mortars on their heads, I don't know, but cannot feel sorry for morons. The cheapest BCG I have is a 6.8spc from Stag at $135.00, hope its not a chinese import, so far 40 rounds and it has not let go yet.....
So if one loads a .300 Whisper in to a 5.56 chambered AR then all will be well if the extractor spring is from a campfire approved vendor, but if the extractor spring is from PSA then PSA is 100% at fault?
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your proctologist pull some of your teeth Sherp? You seem a bit testy.
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Just to inform the people who doubted my source...
The first installment of 2000 BCG are on the table for re-heat treating.
After they are being shipped to be tested then returned to PSA.
enjoy
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Without proof, I'm calling horse feces.
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....the extractor and spring is part of this bolt so if one part is junk, like Blue said about the extractor spring, chances are good the rest of the parts are junk too. Blue has his point of view which is probably correct for his uses. But he ain't everybody and his uses aren't the same as everyone else's either. Did it ever occur to anyone that maybe the extractor was set up for rifles? As I just posted in another thread, what is good for a rifle isn't necessarily good for a carbine and vice versa.
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PSA generally makes good stuff and I have faith that they will correct problems.
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The only difference in a rifle and a carbine bolt is the spring and insert and actually the insert is probably the same just colored differently. In fact has anyone seen a blue insert in the past few years?
But anyway the extractor is the part most companies scrimp on.
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PSA generally makes good stuff and I have faith that they will correct problems. They are correcting it. But its still a problem that they bought junk in the first place.
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