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My guess would be that he was called to handle a situation that he was not trained for. Instead of refusing to get involved, he attempted to help out and teach the kid a lesson. Not being trained, and not knowing what to do, he stepped in it. I'm sure they didn't cover Classroom Discipline in the academy.







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We're going to see a Latonia Effect, now.

School Resource Officers around the country will hang back and let 8-year-olds riot, rather than risk their careers by being accused of overly aggressive tactics.


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Originally Posted by Barkoff
My guess would be that he was called to handle a situation that he was not trained for. Instead of refusing to get involved, he attempted to help out and teach the kid a lesson. Not being trained, and not knowing what to do, he stepped in it. I'm sure they didn't cover Classroom Discipline in the academy.


Technically, as an SRO, he is supposedly trained for such situations.


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When the tactics are specifically and in plain English forbidden by statute, it's a pretty safe bet that the SRO has gone "above and beyond". Now, will the others complicit in fomenting this be held to account as well is the only question (and, they won't).


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My guess would be that he was called to handle a situation that he was not trained for. Instead of refusing to get involved, he attempted to help out and teach the kid a lesson. Not being trained, and not knowing what to do, he stepped in it. I'm sure they didn't cover Classroom Discipline in the academy.


Technically, as an SRO, he is supposedly trained for such situations.


And what would that training entail? Teachers call you because a kid won't stop disrupting the class, what is it that a SRO is supposed to do, above a beyond what a teacher can do? Seems to me that the only thing an officer could do that a teacher could not, would be to place the kid in handcuffs. So if you don't want the kid in cuffs, why call the SRO?







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I'm betting that at the request of a teacher the officer was trying to teach an out of control kid that there are consequences for bad behavior. Poor judgement and a bad deal on everyone's part.


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My guess would be that he was called to handle a situation that he was not trained for. Instead of refusing to get involved, he attempted to help out and teach the kid a lesson. Not being trained, and not knowing what to do, he stepped in it. I'm sure they didn't cover Classroom Discipline in the academy.


Technically, as an SRO, he is supposedly trained for such situations.


And what would that training entail? Teachers call you because a kid won't stop disrupting the class, what is it that a SRO is supposed to do, above a beyond what a teacher can do? Seems to me that the only thing an officer could do that a teacher could not, would be to place the kid in handcuffs. So if you don't want the kid in cuffs, why call the SRO?


SRO stands for School Resource officer, here usually school pays their wages during the school year and the city pays for it in the summer when school isnt in session....and they are very familiar with the schools discipline rules as that is a part of their job....its a law he should have known quite well given his job....the guy fugged up and it is on him.....


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I've seen parents request putting their kids in handcuffs and in the back of a patrol car as a lesson. I also have heard people threaten their kids if they don't behave they will have the police man "take" them away ect.

Sad part is that society wants the police officer to discipline/raise their kids instead of doing it themselves. Parents rather be "friends" to their kids than Parents.

Sad that we even need or have police officers in schools, goes with the times unfortunately.

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Originally Posted by Barkoff
Why is it the school called law enforcement to discipline an 8 yr old...really?

I mean, WTF is a LEO supposed to do with an unruly 8 year old?


The schools don't call to DISCIPLINE. They call to help CONTROL destructive and dangerous behavior. I can't say I approve of his techniques but having been in his position on several occasions the thought of handcuffing did cross my mind and on a couple of occasions I was forced to handcuff juveniles.

Be a teacher in a behavior disorder class room for a few days and you would be doing the same. You could not pay me enough to do it.

In reality, the persons I wanted to hand cuff the most was their parents. There seemed to be a connection between parents who could not or would not teach their kids manners and expectation of behavior in a school setting. They needed some time in cuffs to make a point to their lazy @$$e$.



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Originally Posted by Barkoff
My guess would be that he was called to handle a situation that he was not trained for. Instead of refusing to get involved, he attempted to help out and teach the kid a lesson. Not being trained, and not knowing what to do, he stepped in it. I'm sure they didn't cover Classroom Discipline in the academy.
He's an ex teacher.

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OK, then put him in prison.







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OK, then put him in prison.
I wouldn't be opposed to that. What he did to that kid reminds one of North Korean torture methods.

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What we need is more people just like you to become cops...you may get your ass kicked a lot, but by God the public will respect you!







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Why all the love for "zero tolerance" That cop needs only mild consequences for breaking the rules. Probably helped the kid.



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This cop needs serious consequences?

Three questions:

1) What makes you think he won't get them.

2) Are the consequences he gets any of your concern.

3) People all over the world do stuff every day that merits "serious consequences." Why single out this particular person. What is so remarkable here.

OK, that was 4.
Cops hold a unique position of authority in our society, making this a matter of common concern for Americans.


"A concern for Americans??

Are you implying that a citizen of say, Poughkeepsie NY has some sort of duty to concern himself with how citizens of say, Des Moines Iowa discipline their police officers? Doesn't that smack of federal control of what should be a local concern?




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Why the handcuffs when a couple flashbangs would have worked?


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If a teacher of "special needs kids" can't control them in a classroom without calling a cop, the teacher needs to find a different job, or the class size should be reduced to make it manageable.

I suspect that an "ordinary" cop would have handled the situation much better than this former school teacher turned cop. An "ordinary cop" would probably never have considered cuffing an eight year old.

When you add the arrogance of a teacher to the authority of a cop, you have a BAD critter.


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I'm 100 percent ok with what the guy did from what I read.


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They just whupped the piss out of us back when I was a kid.

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