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All,

We're ready to announce the second group buy on the Montana Rifle Company/Whittaker Guns exclusive. I didn't go far out of the norm this time to keep the cost down. The only custom option is the 8" twist. This rifle will only be offered to members of 24hourcampfire. If they all don't sell, I stick the remainder on the shelf at the shop. The specs on the rifle are below.

- Montana Rifle Company Extreme X2 (stainless/synthetic)
- 243 Winchester
- 22" barrel, #2 MRC Contour
- 1 in 8" twist (stamped on barrel)
- MRC X2 standard gray stock
- 20 right hand rifles, 5 left hand rifles
- $1075.99 (plus shipping to your FFL)

If you'd like to get in on the buy, please send an email to [email protected]
Please include:

- MRC Exclusive in the subject line.
- Your full name and screen name on here.
- Your contact info including your phone number
- Your preferred method of deposit payment

Someone (Eric more than likely) will contact you to process the order ASAP (if during business hours). A 15% non-refundable deposit is required to hold your order. Methods of payment are credit card, personal check, certified check or money order. A 3% fee will be added for all credit card transactions. The price listed above is at a cash (or check) discount. Balance will be due in full once the rifles are ready to ship -- you can even pay over time while waiting if you'd like. You will be charged exact shipping to your locale, not an inflated estimate. US only at this time.

Lead time on this rifle will be faster than the first batch. Jeff informed me they're already putting barrels on the actions. We delayed the announcement to allow them to catch up and expedite your orders. Before shipping, we will require a signed copy from your receiving FFL.

This buy will be limited to 25 rifles. The next (and different) batch of exclusives will be announced after I receive shipping confirmation on these.


Please keep questions directed to my email address above. It gets a tad confusing switching between email and PM's during the process. IF WANTING IN IMMEDIATELY ON THE BUY, PLEASE SEND AN EMAIL TO THE ADDRESS ABOVE. I can't always answer PM's and will only use the email as a time stamp.

Thanks in advance and I'll update this post as needed!

Hum?

This is what the rifle will look like...

Sounds like a super buy....

Okay, you got my interest.

What are the specs for a #2 contour? I can't seem to find a contour chart on the web.

OR, as a minimum do you know the OD at the muzzle for the #2?


According to the MRC website the weight of their regular Extreme X2 in .243 is 6 lbs. 14 oz. Sounds like this one is the basic X2 model with the only difference being twist rate so I imagine that's the nominal weight. Add Talleys and a lighter scope and you're looking at 7 lbs, 9 to 12 oz unloaded.

That is the weight.

And I have no idea what the OD is at the muzzle, but I'll get an answer.

For clarity, the #2 contour is their standard offering.

Thanks, I'd appreciate it.

I need a new rifle like I need another orifice in the cranium, but a SA SS left hander in .243 is some right smelly bait to be dangling in front of me...

Jeff just emailed me. The OD at the muzzle is .600".

Thanks, that's the same OD as a Winchester M70 LT Sporter at 24".

It's a good size IME and makes for a good balance, particularly with the lighter overall weight of the X2 rifle.

For those familiar with Remingtons, their standard sporter contour is .650 or .660 at the muzzle while their mountain rifle contour is .550. I had a LH Winchester .30-06 rebarreled with a 22" barrel in my patent pending "Foothills contour" which is a Remington contour shape but .600" at the muzzle; it has a great balance.

I hate this forum - in a good kind of way.

You mean a KS contour, it already exists.

For those not familiar with the relationship between Remington and most aftermarket contours, a Remington sporter with a .65" muzzle at 24" length will be a good bit lighter at the shank and steep taper end of the barrel than a typical aftermarket barrel with similar muzzle dimensions.

What?! Those bastards, they stole the idea from me!

Yes, Remingtons taper steeply to a point about 13" ahead of the receiver and then are a straight tube to the muzzle. They have very little actual straight shank. A better example would be something like a Ruger Hawkeye which runs around .575" with a more standard shaped contour.

But the point being that a #2 contour like the MRC makes for a good balance on a sporter weight rifle, especially with a 22" length.

What is delivery time for payment planning purposes?

Mid/late September, early October.

And the 260s should be before that?

260's are shipping now. the first one came in today. Several more are in transit.

Damn It! I was hoping the .243 would wait until #3.

I'm in for a RH, email sent. While more money than I want to spend right now it'll save me money in the long run. Guess I'm going to have to sell some stuff.

SAS - what other chamberings/twists are being considered for future exclusives? I realize it's not a hard and fast commitment, just would help us plan which groups buys to participate in.

I heard the 43 Egyptian is in the front of the line for the 3rd run.

Times 2. I'm all set on the smaller chamberings.

You couldn't have baited this hook any better for me. Email just sent to reserve one of the left handers.

If it gets here in late September or early October that'll be just in time for my birthday so - Happy birthday to me!

I'll get another email sent your way. Right hand for me.

Bb

Just sent e-mail, I'll take a RH.

Heard a SS/Walnut MRC1999 in 30-06 with 23" tube was next inline .... Think I heard of a $600 price tag too :P

I have a SS MRC 1999 with walnut stock and a 20" 7-08 tube made up for when I returned to PA ... went to WA instead.

Dreamin' ..... even @ $1080, that'd be a nice price. Too much for me, but I'd sell something or two for that.

I'm surprised more people haven't chimed in on this deal, like they did with the .260 Rem. A property twisted .243 gives nothing up to the .260 at any range as far as deer and smaller game is concerned. Anybody who felt they missed out on the last buy, should really look hard at this one.

Me too but it's maybe a little less unique though a fair bit cheaper.

I went more affordable for a reason. I can't tell you how many emails and PM's I've had for a fast twist 243.

This one is also a good mix for a dual purpose rifle. Want to shoot 105VLD's and be able to reach the lands within mag box confines? This one will do it. Want a low recoiling steel busting rig and an excellent whitetail rifle? This one is it.

The first two rifles were built for the guy who wanted to shoot one rifle a bunch. You can play with long range steel, hunt a variety of game and keep recoil in check. In my opinion, the 243 (along with other 6mm's) with a fast twist gets you the most for the least.

These should be in hand well before deer season starts.

How light a bullet will that twist stabilize, Darrik?

Goodness, these are calling my name I just don't know if I can swing one right now.

It's a lot less unique --a whole $184.00 less ?-- so much for a set of 4.
It's just another MRC. This one's not for me.

A fluted barrel and different color stock would have been nice. I still jumped on it because I missed out on the first one and was in the market for a reasonably priced factory small caliber deer rifle. This one is properly twisted for a 105 Berger Hunting VLD, the mag box is longer than most, and it is CRF. It will go off for cerakote the day it arrives.

55 grain is as light as they make 6mm bullets to my knowledge without going the custom route. I'm sure they'll shoot out of an 8" twist as well as a slower one. I'd rather spin a bullet faster than it needs to be, than too slow.



Flutes are nice to look at, but I'd have rather had a FWT barrel than the #2. It has the 8" twist and that's what really matters to me. I can change the color of stock anytime I want, if I needed/wanted to. The .260 is a nice looking rifle, and it looks a lot like a M70 EW which isn't all that unique. Plus this rifle should go under 7lbs which seemed to be important to others on the .260 thread.

I guess you just can't make everyone happy.

I've slung plenty of 55gr BT's from a 1-8"

They were never going to be a "matched set". They'll all be something that isn't offered in their standard production rifle.

The fast twist makes it more unique than any other 243 on the market, imo. It's too bad the stock isn't purdy enough for you.

The regular Extreme X2 243 already comes with a 9 twist. I'm sure the 8 twist is nice to have, but 9 twist 243s have sent a lot of 105 VLDs and Amaxs downrange in a stable manner. If the factory twist would have been 1-10", the group buy 243 would really have an advantage. Not so much when going from 9 to 8.

Something like an 8 twist 22-250 would have been a significant difference over factory options, and would really fill a niche.

I'm not trying to dissuade anyone from these rifles.....if I were in the market for a 243, one of these group buy 8 twists would be headed my way. I appreciate Darrik and Whittaker Guns for doing these runs, and getting manufacturers to think about building things the right way (i.e. quick twist).

I'm not going to argue that people haven't been shooting the 105 VLD bullets in a 9 twist barrel. However, all the sciences tells us they do better in a 8 twist barrel. If you get the stability factor to 1.5 or better you maximize the BC of the bullet, or so the guys with more math brains than I say.

I've seen more than a few 105's hit the target sideways from 1-9" twist at sea level.

These group buys are hard to appease the majority,

I hesitated on the first buy, still not sure why,didn't really care for the caliber and thinking next time around things might be interesting,

and I'm again hesitant on the 2nd buy. again, hesitant on the caliber,

What are you after? Lightweight varmint rig?

General purpose Big game? Target? weight? portability?

I'd love a .308 lefty, a general all around big Game rig, also fun at the range, hopefully topped out at 7.5#, and common sense tells me I'd be way ahead of the game if I just ordered solo.

Fast twist 243 is very interesting to me. Have to kick this one around some, but thinking I'll buy one of the left handed ones. Be great for long range deer and antelope in my area, plus I like the 243 for introducing new shooters to the sport.

Can't speak to everybody's wants but this one happened to hit a lot of things I like.

- Getting to be a recoil wimp in the autumn of my years so a .243 has a lot of appeal for volume shooting.
- I'm not a fast twist fanatic but no reason not to like 1:8.
- They're offering a left handed, stainless steel short action mostly Model 70, and it's available now. Winchester ain't making any left handers, they sure as hell ain't makin'em in stainless steel and they sure as hell ain't makin' any LH, SS short actions.
- I've examined a couple of MRC rifles at Cabela's and liked what I saw.
- It's a nice sporter configuration and not too heavy like my LH Model 70's. I don't like bench shooting, prefer to shoot from field positions and can't warm up to 9+ pound precision rifles. I like the way a well balanced sporter configuration feels in the hand and this one looks like it ought to be really nice in that regard.
- Looks like a bit of a break over the normal street price which is kind of moot anyway since I haven't seen a whole lot of LH Extreme X2's for sale anywhere at any price. And it looks like these will be available in a fairly short time.
- By all accounts Whittakers is/was a Mom and Pop store that done good, Darrick is trying to help folks and get us something out of the ordinary and I appreciate that and am willing to support those efforts.

Each of us only has to please ourselves (I please myself several times each day ) so if someone else doesn't like this one that's cool. I do like it and AFAIK am #1 on the left hander's list when they come in.

Sounds like another nice rifle.

243 Win. is great.

22-250AI or standard. 8t. Adl or alloy metal. Fwt or mountain contour. Could this be close to 6#?

W

I would jump all over a 6.5 saum 4s with a #3 fluted barrel...

I am a huge .243 fan. Still contemplating this group buy. Just started dialing in the LH MRC 6.5x55 I special ordered to mimic the .260 group buy. Really digging the 6.5. Decisions, decisions...

There are three left hand rifles left and several right hand rifles. Judging from the PM's and emails I received, I wouldn't have guessed this buy would last a day.

Live and learn I guess?

I wonder how many more 260s would have sold? They did sell out rather fast. However, this rifle sounds like it will be a very nice rig as well.

Thanks for putting these group buys together, it is appreciated.

I was one of the many who sent emails to Darrik asking for this rifle. I was in the process of building an 8 twist .243 when the .260 group buy was offered. I saw what Darrick was doing as a way to get what I wanted cheaper in the long run.

Just my M700 donor and B&C mountain rifle stock cost over $600. A quality barrel and install with squaring of the action was going to push me over the $1200 price pretty easily. Throw in a new trigger, parts to remove the j-lock, flute the bolt, and other cosmetic things I wanted to do in the long run would have added even more expense.

Yeah this rifles going to come in heavier than I envisioned, but not by much. I shouldn't break 8 lbs all up, but if I do it won't be by much. All in all I got some thing I wanted with this rifle I wasn't going to have with the M700 I was going to build and vice versa.

There's a big difference between the .260 group buy and the .243 buy..... that difference is commonality. No one makes a properly twisted, stainless sporter .260..... well, almost nobody. On the other hand.... I can walk into any local enabler and grab a stainless 700 in .243 that'll shoot 105s and let me fit'em in the magazine. Slap a Ti stock on it and you're the same basic profile/weight as the MRC. It ain't CRF.... but I've yet to be charged by a angry muley or been mauled by a poorly hit coyote.

I dig these buys, Derrik has certainly taken the bull by the horns and delivered some really cool rifles where options were previously limited. It's nice to see a business take time to address the desires of a small (yet vocal) community. I'd have bought one of the .260s if I didn't already have 6.5s coming out the ears.... and when (faith) one rolls out in .284 I'll be first on the list. I also can't wait for the T3 Sweedes to get here.... I've already got brass prepped....

Thanks for putting this together SAS.....

Elevation may have something to do with your stability.

I'm at about 500' -- give or take a few. I've tried several Remington and Ruger rifles in 243. Things look good in the summer, then go to Hell in the winter. Most of my shooting at distance is after the crops come out and through the winter months.

I've yet to find a factory 9 or 9 1/4 twist that will stabilize 105's regularly where and when I shoot. I know they may exist and perform better in other areas, but I've yet to find Nirvana with the factory twist in 10-12 samples. They've all keyholed at some point.

I am kinda high here in CO.... laffin'.

Don't get me wrong... I get the appeal of the 1:8"... and it really is the right way to twist most everything sub-7mm. Just saying with .243s there's a veritable cornucopia of other rifle options, though there are none that are capable of surely stabilizing ALL the 105s (new Ruger is the gamer's exception). With the .260 there really wasn't another player in the game....

PS... I bet a 1:8 .243 running 55 NBTs at 4000fps (spinning 360,000 RPM) would fling goo for miles....

Agreed.

As I noted earlier, a "gap filler" like an 8 twist 22-250 would probably sell better than a 1" faster twisted 243 over factory, which really only becomes necessary for guys at low elevation shooting 105 grain match bullets in cold conditions.

What it tells me is that it's 'marginally' stable for a bunch of other folks, they just don't know it and it ain't a good place to be.

On Tuesday!

1/8 is perfect regardless of temp, elevation, velocity, etc. 1/9.25 is "usually" good if the conditions are right and you're launching a 105 at max speed...you're on the bubble at 105's launched fast....nothing heavier and speed is essential. Extra mag box length is a plus, common mag box length is "hopefully" good.

If you're wanting to send 105(+)'s this is a great standard weight, stainless/synthetic, turnkey platform for it. Short wait, low price, great group buy.

For sure. 8 twist 6.5 SAUM throated for the 127 LRX @ 0.050" jump with another 0.050" to chase and I'm IN.

pm me please if they ever do this gig in .375 H&H


a bolt hanging off the left hand side and I'm in

For those of you across the Medicine Line that may want in on the buys, it's now doable! Jeff hooked me up with an exporter.

The group buys are now open for Canadian residents!!

Kinda funny, everyone was complaining about LAW and having a 9 twist and how no one will ever buy them. Well here's an 8 twist for even cheaper and yet all the "experts" aren't in line to buy one...hmmmmmmm

You really think 25 would sell?

If I had not just purchased one of the first run 260 rifles, I would look strongly at this one, but the .243 is too close to what I just purchased

Shortactionsmoker,

Whats the chance of them cutting one to 243 ai ?

Billy

If he lets you do it, then the kid down the street is gonna want to do it - where's it gonna end?

David

Maybe never? He just sells more rifles!
Fingers crossed…

Billy

Nice rifle!

Whittaker already has the T3 Swedes on the shelf. Darrick just hooked me up with a Hunter.

SD

The T3 Lite Fluted Sweedes..... I can do blued.... but wood ain't no good.

Hope they won't do that, cuz I might have to get one.

Ill take one!!

Billy

Are they going to AI a few...?

No. Standard 243...

Whew....

I want one, but having just made two long trips West in the past two weeks, burying my father and a week later, my MIL, I'm tapped out for discretionary spending.

Update...

There are two left hand rifles still available.
There are four right hand rifles still available.

Well that's good news! I can't wait to see how the first groups .260's shoot. I won't mess with my .243 until I'm done with elk season.

I talked to Matt in Customer Service about a 1-8 22-250 over a month ago but have not heard anything back from him. Sure was hot about one but cooling down the longer it goes.

It seems like there is still a demand for the 260. Why not do another group buy, minus the flutes, keep the gray stock, 24" barrel 1:8 twist?

Fixed it for you... Email inbound...

^^^^^^^^ THIS!


Roy

So, are these ready yet?



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I vote for some sort of fluted .308 with painted stock like the .260 next.

Maybe 21" barrel.

I want the next run to be chambered for a 43 Egyptian necked down to 29 caliber. Twisted 1 turn in 1", so I can run 600 grain VLDs.

I'll put an 80mm objective, 45mm tube scope on it, because what's on top doesn't have any effect on balance.

Any decisions on #3 ?

Only cheaper: https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/10381840/For_Sale:_Brand_New_Montana_Ri#Post10381840

SAS, I bought one of the Montana's in .260 rem at least a
year ago and I have really enjoyed this nice little rifle
Heck I have bought enough guns that Chris should roll out
the red carpet for me...lol

How is delivery looking?

Getting antsy myself to hear how they're coming along. Got the scope and a new set of Talleys on deck, plus plenty of brass and a couple boxes of Hornady 105 A-Max bullets. Scored 16 pounds of H4350 last month so I'm ready to go.




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Anyone interested in a EGW rail for their Montana rifle? 0 MOA, black oxide and unused in original packaging. part number 47400
$25 shipped (lower 48 only)
thanks, Jim

SAS - Is this group buy filled?

The original ETA was mid/late September, early October. We're getting beyond early October so I was wondering if you have any updated ETA on these?

Exactly. Deer season opens here on Saturday...so much for using a 243 this year.

The left hand rifles were in bedding on Monday. The right hand rifles were awaiting a part, then off to bedding. It won't be long.

I'm glad to see they have their priorities straight and are doing the left hand rifles first.

May I suggest an 8" twist 7-08 with a walnut stock next?

A couple of left hander's just hit the door!

Great news! Hope they and the door are doing well...

So, seriously, how long does it take to do the turn around and ship the rifles once they arrive at your store?

The anticipation is making me feel like a 4 year old at Christmas...

We ship the rifles in the order in which they are received -- meaning the rifles are allocated based off the order we received the order from you guys. Unfortunately, your rifle wasn't one of the first two ordered. Eric will contact you as soon as yours hits the door!

We ship as soon as we have all of your info and the gun. Sometimes that means the same day we receive the rifle, sometimes the next day. The only way its any longer is if we're awaiting payment or a FFL.