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Guys I need this stock and action for a 'Carlos' build, every thing fits including SN range, two things I do not want are welded up holes in rear bridge or a cracked up stock, the barrel does not matter. thanks in advance ,v best WinPoor
http://www.gunsamerica.com/925656907/Winchester-Pre-War-M70-30-06.htm

After looking at it several times, I can tell it had a Stilth ( sp?) mount and scope on it. v best winpoor

First Stop is reputable. The stock has been refinished, perhaps sanded a bit; there may be a tang crack,very minor and not a disqualifier by any means. You are going to need to strip the finish, do it right, and make that crack all but disappear if it is a crack in the first place. Have Ahlman's in MN recut the checkering when you are done refinishing it. It is an honest gun.

Hi Mr sbrmike, ,does Ahlman's refinish as well as recut checkering? I have 4 uncut std and one fwt with the wrong recoil pad that all need a refinish job. Sir if so and you know about their work, please send contact info. There was someone on here when I first came to the fire that had killer wood refinish skills and I have misplaced his info, my gunsmith does good wood work but they stay up to eyeballs in alligators, Ive had 2 guns with them for 7 mos....very best winpoor

Winpoor always finds interesting pieces. This is a great looking rifle even with the refinished stock. It has been awhile since I saw Hathcocks rifle. Did it alter the gun in any way or did it just use existing scope mount holes? Did it have a standard weight barrel? I would vote against any modification including re-cutting the checkering. I am an admirer of honest used guns and knives that show a lifetime of use. There are so few unaltered pre war guns out there I feel they should be left alone. When I see an old model 70 that is that is honest and find it has been glass bedded, I want to drown little kittens. But that is just me.

If you throw peep sight or piece of Picatinny rail on front bridge plus electro-optical sight like Aimpoint H-1 this would make nice brush or running game rifle. Personally I would buy new Featherweight for less. You would have new rifle with three position safety and rear bridge tapped for scope base.

45 Miles up the road at the Marine depot ,rebuild shop they opened the barrel channels on the sporters and put Winchester Med Heavy contour Douglas XX air gauged barrels on em, drilled em for scope blocks and put the old 8x and a few 10X Unertls on em. Well U can drown bobcats if I get this one home! v best winpoor

Thanks my fellow winchester loon... v best winpoor

My friend you are missing the whole point! That gun is a shooter not a collector, Im building a Marine" Carlos Hathcock" , same SN range, pre war clip slot, Douglas,Win med heavy 3006 sniper gun ,correct to last detail gun! Ive seen em sell for 5K ! check out Texas Brigade Armory web site....
http://www.texasbrigadearmory.com/
You do what you want with yours and I will not be drowning the yellow housecat!
v best WinPoor

Here you go Po-lock or Slavek or who ever!!!
http://www.texasbrigadearmory.com/m70.htm
very best WinPoor

This 1955 might be too early,but a nice rifle.

http://www.rockislandauction.com/viewitem/aid/65/lid/3680

WP, don't let him dust your feathers up. He's tryin' real hard to rile ya.

BTW, sounds like a real cool project.

This might help, winpoor.



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Hi RogerD, My current "Carlos" is a stone cold stock 56' Target on a sporter stock, it was civilian and had very few rounds down the tube when I got her, I'm going for a true un -drilled rear bridge pre- war with cloverleaf tang in the correct SN range for this build, TBA was very good but Mike is getting some age on him now and my last buddy that had one done was like a 2 yr wait, I'm to damn old for that kind of wait now, My biggest problem now is finding the correct 8X scope and having the parts anodized black as was correct, the USMC marked ones are going for 5K so I'm now going down that road, that one marking will be the only thing that is not to the last detail, Carlos never used the scope spring and pulled the scope back to battery by hand each shot, I may or may not remove the spring on mine...Ive been offered some big bucks several times for my Carlos, but the damn thing is just pure azz lucky when I take him whitetail hunting, last year I did not even make it half way to stand before I spotted a nice freezer buck, I had to crawl 30 yards to get the shot but it ended up being about 330 paces, the buck went down like a sack of cow feed, I lost him in the scope so fast I thought I had missed him, Im not bad about missing, The guys had left my house to run to store 6 mi away for a case of 8 oz bud lites ( I call em baby blues or blue gills , they get ice cold and go down in 3 sips )and when they returned I was waiting and wanted help loading , field dressing and getting to our processor.... they could not believe 20 min earlier I had told em' to hurry up I was going to get a deer! I can feel when they will move up here on river! Ive hunted here 30 years, I feed the does but have never shot one! The does are the very best BUCK bait made!!!! Ive got pix somewhere.. the very best WinPoor
Remember the toes you step on going up! ,they may be attached to the azz you kiss going down!!! Adolph Brock Jr.

Another 'Carlos freezer buck!

A custom 25-06 , 53' 70, with a shilen barrel and Borden RimRock stock, my foul weather pre 64....

Prob, same deer after field dressing, same cloths. I could post mod 70 deer pix all day long!

A good one as I was HORN hunting on this one!

I spring turkey hunt with my GrandDads ,Adolph Sr, model 97, still using paper hull no.2 high brass, 30" full choke, damn thing shoots like a rifle and leaves a blue spot on shoulder every time, Do not have back to a big white oak when you drop the hammer! Im speaking from experience!

A .264 early std. that was unfired since Winchester stamped the WP on, then a freezer buck on shot 9 after scope and tune up. I will keep and fair weather hunt this one till the bitter end, Grandson or nephew will get this one as it took me 30 years to find it!


I could post these all day as we get to nail 12 goats a year,I put first 2 in my freezer, then I have some tree hugger friends that do not hunt but love the meat plus and old mentor that cannot hunt anymore. I have em field dressed and at the processors cooler in less than 45 min.Ive slowed down now as I used to stop at number 5 then start 'HORN' hunting for the old ghost that has been putting the slip on me for about 6 years!!!
I do not know if I nailed this one or put my burnt out BIL on him,either way a nice river buck!

edit, I neck shot him with 'Carlos'
Here is a dink he shot! LOL

Freezer buck shot within 15 min opening day many years ago, biggest thing about him was nuts!

Same opening day dink I think My stand is at edge of woods over shoulder, look to the right of hand and finger pointed up head on front shot was all he would give me! Notice the shadows, I shot him walked to river house and got truck all before the sun was up good! 245 yard shot, bang flop like you wilted him in track! That is what I do, I want nothing to suffer nor run, I want his mind on a does azz one second and in deer heaven in blink of eye!!! When I was young my Dad who taught me to shoot Winchesters on his Grandfathers gun would say! Buddy drop him and dont waste ANY meat! I started ear shooting and a 10 point would only give me white spot on throat up at 200, I was shooting an 06 BOSS and hit him between eyes so hard the rack split side to side! 165 gr fed prem BT's.This dink was heavy and fat! I have a problem up here with horns not matching body size! Ive killed 200lb deer with little basket racks!The wildlife managers say I need to shoot em, they also say I need to shoot the does BUT I dam sure will not!I know how a good looking WOMAN can trap me!!! The Bucks are the same!! I started doing neck and leaving ear and head shots alone as that split head deer would have been worth mounting! 130 point B&C that is nice for SW GA!

Post 64's shoot too! I was burning woods in Feb and this one went to trotting at 210 yards, mange coyote meets 110 gr accubond from a Coyote Lite in 25 WSSM! Edit, photo on next post.

Enough photobucket! very best WinPoor

Oh Hell a few more of hunting , flying, fishing , and just get in trouble with best friends and burnt out BIL!

Two bucks in one shot, I just could not help myself, It was 11:00 AM one morning on the day time changed to daylight saving!

Coyote meets coyote lite!

A feb. burning woods off coyote.

My favorite litter of bulldog pups back in the day!


very best Winchester guys! WinPoor
Guys Winchester made very few pistols SOOOO I have to settle on Colts!

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v best WP

10,666 hrs of THIS bought the Winchesters!

v best winpoor

WP I have a Colt Match Target as well but with a 4 inch barrel. Shot it this weekend as a matter of fact. I had forgotten how much fun it was. It doesn't appear you shoot yours. I wish I could find a good holster for mine.

I have 2, one I had for 30 years, well worn, I had it ceracoated, my daughter has it now and can shoot it as well as me! This one was mint and Ive run prob. 500 rounds of sub sonis match S&K,Lapua,Wolf thru it! very best WinPoor

Hi Winpoor,

Great photos! I just thought I'd post that rifle. I would love to own a Hathcock 70 one day. You only go around once...a rifle missed is a rifle lost...I could say that about something else,but I'll keep it clean.

take care

p.s. That Woodsman is on my list.

p.p.s Check this out a 1920's Winchester sniper rifle. I keep dreaming that Grandma has one rat-holed somewhere.

http://jamesdjulia.com/item/lot-103...gfield-armory-type-2-sniper-rifle-39207/

Mr Roger D, all I can say is WOW! WinPoor

At least the Commie bastards were shot with a quality rifle.

The model 54 's could be had with a 26" med heavy "sniper" barrel, the few that were carried over into the mod 70's are the holy grail... very ,very few exist! I have never seen or held one! very best WinPoor

Some nice pics and shots made with those winnys. Is there a reason you wanna go for the bull barrel winpoor? I thought Carlos used a standard barrel on his first tour, did he use a bull on his second?

Mr FRST, All his guns were Winchester med heavy target profile. Either Factory or Douglas XX in same profile.They would open the sporter stock to fit the target profile. A few used the std. marksman stock, most were low comb sporter stocks. He would keep the 8X Unertl wrapped in plastic to keep moisture out till hunting,shooting time!! very best WinPoor

Edit, Carlos had a plywood box made and had 2, 100 watt light bulbs installed, he would take the 8 and 10X Unertl s off and keep in box so as to reduce, kill the SE ASIA humidity, he would then mount ,fire and check zero then cover up with plastic and go gook hunting! I studied this guy and read every thing I could get my hands on vis him, good man, he would lay in a bed of ants for hours to get,make the shot!He would say the guns were 2 MOA with the $hit ammo , but he got his hands on good stuff and shot a lot tighter than 2 MOA!!! the very best WinPoor

Is 59000 a little late for the original Model 70 purchase? Not that it is a big deal, however. That looks like a nice pre-war rifle to start with. To answer a question by Stuvwxyz, the Unertl mounts would use the existing holes in the receiver and the other set would be on the barrel.
Winpoor, Bartlein for the barrel? Frank Green just built a similar rifle so I know they have the right specs.

I have one good eye. Does that count???

Only if your a pirate:)

I would buy standard grade Model 70 .30-06 from late 50s (scope use friendly stock) and Redfield USMC M-40 scope ($400 at SWFA site). Another option is limited edition M700 with matte metal bull barrel, oil finished stock, alloy butt plate and large military sling loops. It was offered as repro of US Military Sniper rifle. The Remington was designed to be used with Lake City 7,62x51 match ammo.

Im doing my best to stay exactly as used, Mr Frank ( good guy too)at Bartlein makes one of the very best barrels! I may fudge there but every Douglas XX barrel Ive ever shot was killer as well! v best winpoor

Arggg.....matey....

Im going to take your lead and not even answer the polock! thanks and very best WP

be my guest! buy away! the very best WinBroke
F it ,I just could not help it ,this SOB will bait like a fat cricket on a river bream! LMAO WP

Mr Pipewhiner, in a perfect world 48,000 and under would be the cats azz!, I also have a list of General, or Col Van Ordens snipers, I had an 06 Target one(1) GD sn away , it did not shoot as good as my 56' so I sold it!
This Guns America Im thinking of buying goes against the grain, I hit the buy now on a sniper that had been in a corner for 30 or 40 or 50 years, thought it was mine, called the seller Monday morning at 7 am and he told me he sold it 20 min earlier! I told him I had hit the buy now button, he said he had not looked at the computer and went by phone calls! it was a Van Orden with a non checkered sporter stock! I thought G A worked like GB, if you hit buy now it was yours! WRONG!!!! Ive got photos of that gun somewhere, it still runs my BP up just thinking about it!!! This old FK knew what he had, he did not even bother to wipe the dog dam thing down , gone at his price in less than 24 hrs!!! LOL very best winpoor

Oh Well, I should have called the guy on Sunday! v b WP
EDIT, I offered this old FK ( the seller)a 100 dollar bill to just tell me who he sold it to so I could try and buy it from him at at the new buyers price! The Fk must have been CIA, he would not give up a name!!!

I wish I could go back to the days I used to hang around Evaluators LTD, Gen. Van Orden's store in Triangle, VA.

Jeeze, I could spend hours picking your brain! Thanks
For the newbees here is a tidbit Ive posted before that may help yall understand a bit more! very best winbroke
http://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2011/3/21/the-military-model-70/

http://looserounds.com/2012/06/09/winchester-model-70-sniper-a-brief-history/
another good read . v best WP
http://www.jouster.com/forums/showthread.php?9993-Van-Orden-Winchester-70-Sniper VB WP
http://www.jouster.com/forums/showthread.php?47687-Winchester-Model-70-Sniper VB WP
http://www.jouster.com/forums/showthread.php?45899-Winchester-Model-70-SRS-look-up VB WP
fellow loons I understand a few BIG BORES made it to Nam, judging by the iron sights on this one Im betting 375 H&H or 458 win mag, again just a WAG!!! VB WP
http://www.guns.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Army_LRRP_sniper_with_Winchester_70_in_Vietnam.jpg

http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/for...-van-orden-winchester-m70-sniper-rifles/
VB WP
I do not know if this SN link will work but here is a try!
http://forum.snipershide.info/attachment.php?attachmentid=5412&d=1366748118
VB WP
http://forum.snipershide.info/attachment.php?attachmentid=5336&d=1366677667
Guys I was cattle buyer on the hide, This lucky SOB bought this gun off GB, no one knew what he had including him till he got the Van Orden SN list, lucky as a plantation double dicked pointer birddog!
http://forum.snipershide.info/showthread.php?t=187390

http://forum.snipershide.info/showthread.php?t=187390
The Very Best WinPoor

http://www.deathfromafar.com/
vb WP
http://indiansforguns.com/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=13100
vb WP