Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunting Rifles Practically speaking is there anything a 300 WBY Mag can do that a 7 Rem Mag can't?

Everybody is forgetting about the ability of the .300 Roy to turn cash into gunsmoke at a much faster rate, using factory loaded rounds. You cant get those kind of super powers just anywhere.

You forgot,RinB, that we are all macho macho and bulletproof on here.

And that most don't shoot enough for the cumulative effects of the 300s greater recoil to matter?

I have all bee calibers save the 338-378 and I picked up an unneeded 7mm rem mag. I like them all, and they are all staying.

Here she is Voere Titan II. Had to have her.







first day out 162 Hornadt BT IL at 3065 fps

There's just something special about a 200gr bullet smoking along at 3100fps.

A little of my background:

To Date I have found my recoil 'tolerance limit' ONE time.
I had and still have a 700 BDL 8mm RM. I have shot it plenty with 200 & 220 gr bullets with powder charges in the 80+ gr range. Yes, I notice that recoil but it does not punish me.

The 700 stock PLUS Rem recoil PAD do a good job FOR ME. Fit has a lot to do with 'felt' or perceived recoil.


OTOH - I HAD, I say HAD a 77 tanger 338 WM with only a butt pad<not RECOIL> pad. I shot 225gr bullets with IMR 4350, don't remember the charge but in the 70 + range.

THAT 77 not only kicked but HURT every time I shot it. I ladder tested, graph & group, found a -1" load and sighted the rifle in---BUT before deer season it MADE DUST going down the road. IT HURT. I don't have to put up with that kind of punishment.

The 8 Mag shoots MORE powder with only 5 grain less bullet weight THAN the 77 - 338, but it did NOT punish me. I still have it. I'd say the 8 R M does NOT have less recoil than the 300 Bee.

Now as to 300s -- I have 1 300 WM today but I've had 3-4 in the past. Today's is a 70 WINLITE, I shoot 180s at 3000-3100 fps. I hunted that rifle exclusively 08-09-& 10 and killed more than 1 deer each season.


MY conclusion - the stock FIT and recoil PAD have LOTS to do with felt recoil.

BTW - I've shot a 700 BDL 375 HH enuff that I can shoot & hunt it IF I needed one. (Stock&Pad)

NO anger or resentment - just real assessment.

I'd pick a big 30 over a big 7 every time but that is what I grew up with.

I didn't have a very good opinion of the big 7's until I helped a friend of mine guiding in South Africa for about 2 months and used his 7 MM Rem Mag.

160 Nosler Partitions are killers.

6MM -

I have and have had both 300s & 7 magS. I like both.

The 7 RM & 300 Mags are 2 of 4 that I'd have a hard time of deciding which to keep/get rid of IF I HAD TO.

Ain't going to IF I don't have to.

Jerry

jwall, you experience mirrors mine.. I had a m77 Ruger in .338 that I bought in the 70's.. It was a kicker, not recoil, it kicked.. The comb of the stock hit my cheek each time I fired it.. I have had the .338 in several other model 700's,but today my 338 is a .340 wea.. I built on a 700 action..It is my choice in the .338 caliber..

As I said, I have 7mm's and .300's.. I just like the 300's better.. But my 7's have killed a pile of game for me and will kill some more if I live long enough.. One of them became my wife's favorite big game caliber.. She was not a shooter, but liked to hunt.. The 140 gr. BTBT and Re 22 was her load, she made some remarkable shots.. Most of the credit goes to the 7mm and the flat shooting 140's..

W C H -

Thnx for the 'mirror'.

Sorry for the pain. Mine only kicked my shoulder like a mad MULE.

340 Wby huh ?
That's a lot more cartridge than 338 WM.
Certainly illustrates the difference 'stock fit' and recoil pad can make.

I was expecting much more recoil from the 375 H H and it was more push but NOT punishing.


I also had a light weight 358 Win that a neighbor, after seeing me shoot, would NOT shoot period. It did buck but did not hurt.

Some people are simply recoil shy.
Some people like 'cottage cheese' - ain't fit for pigs.
Some people like liver -- too strong for me.

Some people CAN'T drink milk.

We are all different.

Agreed.......200 AB at over 3k.....

jwall -

As you can see in the photo, my Ruger MKII is not stock. In act, it came to me in pieces, barrel from Bear Paw Jack, stock from gunpartscorp.com, naked action from a gun show, Sims LimbSaver recoil pad. Although fairly lightweight, the 22" barrel reduces velocity a bit and the recoil pad helps a lot. Still, I don't target shoot with it except for pre-season practice. Hunting load is a 225g AB @ 2742fps.

L-to-R, .338WM, .300WM, .30-06

If there ever was an overrated cartridge, it is the 7mm mag. You could make the same comparison of a 7mm mag and the 30-06. I doubt there are as many elk killed with a 7mm mag as with the '06.

I would rather take a beating than shoot a 7mm mag...

+1 on this.


+100 on this.

C H -
I've seen this pic before and still like those rifles. Don't know exactly why but just never bought one. I actually like that Ruger AW stock better than other brand's tupperware.

Per another post of URs, I feel like the 7 RM is more practical than the 300 or 338. At the same time I can't bring myself to sell/trade my 300.


I'm the same way about my 8 RM. I don't shoot it just to shoot. I have many options to use for rifle practice that are more ECONOMICAL. When I'm going to hunt the 8, I do shoot it enuff to acclimate my self to it weight and recoil.

..... .....

It's amazing how different people have 'different' attitudes and opinions towards stocks, cartridges, scopes, Ford/Chevy.

I'm not here to argue w/you. I have the SAME feeling toward a few cartridges that many around here love. There are some rifles/cartridges I have absolutely NO USE for and would not BUY nor keep if given to me.

As to the 7 RM, maybe it was 'advertising $$' but Kurt Darner 'said' the 7 was his favorite mule deer cartridge. Maybe true, maybe no.

After my experience w/a 77 -338 WM, for a while I 'said' I'd NEVER have another 338. I did figure out that it was the sorry stock 'fit' and absence of recoil pad that made the difference.

The 7 RM is ONE cartridge that is in the top % of FEW that I'd consider to be the ONE rifle-cartridges combo for myself.

Have a Good Day

Jerry

The only reason the 7 mag is overrated is because the 270 does the exact same thing on 10 grains less of powder.

With that said my father in law Killed his last 11 elk with a 220 swift. Kind of makes a lot of rounds seem like more than you really need.







Shod

Yeah..... I see .270s run 160s at 3k with 55 grains of powder all the time.... laffin. I bet your F-150 can pull a 14 yard dump trailer at 75mph over Vail Pass too.... and get 25mpg to boot.

I'd rather get the frank and beans stuck in a zipper.... than hunt with a .300 Bee.

In my 300 wby I can shoot 130gr TTSX at warp speed for super flat mpbr point and drt as well as the 215/230bergers and everything in between. Guys like the 257 wby with the 100gr TTSX, well the 300 wby with the 130 TTSX is all that and a bag of chips more. If you can shoot the 300, and mine is an accumark, the stock fits me perfect and the gun has some weight, then there is nothing a 7rm can do better than a 300 wby. I go from 6.5 to .30. I have had lots of 7mm in the past but see no need for them with 6.5s and 30s in the safe. Some guys say the 7mm splits the difference but I'd rather have a low recoiling 6.5 and a 30 with horsepower than a 7mm rm.

For years, I had two 7mm Rem mags, both were 'almost MOA' rifles- that's being kind. Best load I ever came up with was a Barnes 160 gr. TSX, MV around 2900 fps. Killed stuff okay, I guess, but I was never happy with the accuracy, and both went down the road.

My .300 Weatherby is a sub-MOA shooter, and with 165 gr. Barnes TSX bullets, gives me 3390 fps MV. With a McMillan Edge stock and Pachmayr Decellerator pad, recoil is very manageable, for me at least. I have no problem shooting it accurately. The near-400 fps velocity advantage, with bullets of similar weight and BC, makes longer distance shooting much easier, especially if you are seriously considering trying '450-500 yard' shots.

So- practically speaking, is there anything a 300 WBY can do that a 7 Rem. can't? If all you are hunting is deer, antelope, and elk, the answer is no. If, however, large bears, large moose, and large African plains game are ever in your plans, the balance tips in favor of the fast .30 calibers. Does the .300 have more recoil? Of course it does. Simple physics. That said, the only rifle/scope combo that ever cut me was one of those 7mms.

I own a number of sub-.30 calibers, all of which are capable of handling most big game animals in NA, and elsewhere. But there will always be a place in my arsenal for the .300 Wby. When the opportunity arises to hunt for big bull elk, it's the first one out of the safe.

Shod -

I'm in camp w/dogshooter.

The 270 can NOT match the 7 RM.

I have & like/use both.