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Anybody interested in doing a second AR challenge?

This time we can test a different set of skills, but it'll still be a challenge of both the shooter and equipment.

All strings will be shot standing, unsupported. If you want to sling up you can, but you've gotta do it on the clock. The idea is to test your ability to quickly react to a threat, not shoot tiny groups from a super stable position. The target sizes are generous and realistic for a defensive use of your AR.

The starting position for all strings will be with a loaded AR at the low ready position (rifle on safe, finger off the trigger, the buttstock can be tucked into your shoulder but the muzzle has to be lowered to the height of your belt line).

You'll need a shot timer. If you don't have one you can download one for free on a smartphone OR just get a buddy to say "go" and time you with a stopwatch OR count Mississippis in your head while you shoot for all I care, but you really ought to let everyone know if that's how you did it.

I'm not going to be as much of a stickler for the rules as we were for the last competition, mostly because I'm not much of a rules stickler kind of guy. And because these drills are more about getting people out of their comfort zone and trying something that they probably don't do much of.

Take pictures of the targets for each string and tell us about / post a pic of the gun you used.

Scoring

I'll separate scores into Magnified Optics, Non-Magnified Optics (red dots) and Irons.

I'll keep separate lists of winners for each string. So if you can't complete the 50 yards course of fire, submit your times for everything else and then just post your 50 yards times when you can get it done.

After a few weeks (or whenever it looks like everyone that wants to has given it a try) I'll compile the final scores as follows:
The fastest time for each course of fire gets 100 points.
Everyone else is a percentage of that 100 points.
For example:
-If TWR shoots the 50 yard string in 10 seconds and has the fastest time, he gets 100 points.
--If I shoot that 50 yard string in 12 seconds, I get 83 points (10 divided by 12 is .83).
Everyone is graded on a curve, based on the fastest shooter here.

***Scoring like this involves more math, but it evens the playing field for someone who has one really bad string.***

The person with the most points from all three strings "wins".

You can complete the entire challenge with one thirty round magazine.
If you don't want to print 8" circle targets, use your kids protractor to draw an 8" circle on a paper plate. Or just fold a sheet of paper up to an 8" square.

The courses of fire will be as follows:

100 yards at a torso-ish size target (12x24 or smaller)
On the buzzer, hit the target ONCE and record your time.
Repeat that FIVE times and add all five times together.
***You can shoot as many times as you need to. But the time doesn't stop until you've hit the target.***

50 yards at an 8" circle or square
On the buzzer, fire TWO shots at the target and record your time.
Repeat that FIVE times and add all five times together.
***Only hits count. You've gotta shoot it clean. If you find shots outside of the 8" target, you've gotta repeat the 50 yard portion until you shoot it clean.***

25 yards at an 8" circle or square.
On the buzzer, fire ONE shot at the target and record your time.
Repeat that FIVE times and add all five times together.
***Again, you've gotta shoot it clean***

7 yards at a 3" circle
On the buzzer, fire FIVE shots at the circle and record your time.

On the buzzer, fire ONE shot at the circle and record your time. Repeat this five times.

Add ALL of your times from 7 yards together.
***Again, you've gotta shoot it clean***

Sounds good, I'm already in the lead!

You bastids are making me want an AR even more and more!!!!!

Sounds like a good challenge. I'll have to find a range that would actually let me shoot it, however.

Shoot it with a lever gun or a .22 or even a pistol. Where there's a will there's a way.

12 inch x 24 inches at 100 yards can you use a "barricade" to shoot off the sides of or does it have to be free hand.

If you miss you shoot it over again and add that time to your total?

Oh yeah, sounds like fun.

Do we get extra points if our groups are "MOA all day long?"

My original intent was to shoot it without any sort of barricade.

But that's probably a stretch for people who don't practice those shots a lot. And I don't want to write the rules to cater to what I practice. I'll edit it in a little while.

The guys who can shoot it standing will have a time advantage, but may not get five hits in a row as consistently and might have to keep trying. It'll work itself out.

Freehand at 100, if it doesn't challenge you then what good is it?

Sounds like fun.

Likely at the rate our trip to AK is creeping up on us, I won't be able to play until after I get back and arrow the 10 point here at home, then I'll see what I can come up with.

Even if I'm late to the party.

Good idea!

And I agree, freehand at 100, we can all embarrass ourselves.

OK, TWR and Jeff agree with no support at 100. I'll leave it. 12x24 is a BIG target.

I like the no support rule at 100. As you say, 12x24 is pretty big. I'll be embarrassed if I miss it.

I am more of a hide behind something a bullet cannot penetrate kind of guy before shootin but I will shoot it freehand. If you miss you have to shoot it again and count the time correct? Is a hit 1 inch from the edge a hit?

Yep. A hit anywhere on the target counts.

Timer goes beep / Partner says go
Shoot until you get a hit. Time stops when you get a hit.
-(if you're shooting on paper you might have to check the target after each shot to ensure you hit unless you can call your shots)

Same / Same with the 8" and 3" targets. A 2" group on an 8" target doesn't help your score.

This drill is about getting a good enough shot right now rather than a perfect shot too late.

Sounds good. I agree that offhand is the way to roll.



Travis

I have a 12x24" chunk of steel plate. Shooting steel would make detecting hits at 100 easier. I assume you'd have no problem with the steel versus paper?

Steel is what I'm using. Gonna paint it first song can still take a pic of the hits.

Its big, but under time, you have to learn HOW to shoot things like this.

Its not unlike bullseye offhand though, as long as its going to fall a 10, you generally don't care, and try to break the shot clean right then. As SOON as you know its coming.

If I could have ever figured out leading into a target I would have been unstoppable IMHO in offhand... I never could get it down reliably enough.

Should be fun!

PS, care to link a free app for the iphone? Or buy an app?

PS thanks on the trigger one too, I was fishing on my post, didn't get a bite but you were a side product. LOL.

I don't know how to link to the App Store but if you search "shot timer" several free options will show up.

Shot my first try today, cold and on demand. My patrol rifle with a VX6 1-6.

It'll be about two weeks before I can shoot the 100 yard string.

I pulled one shot on the five shot string at 7 yards and had to reshoot it, but included the pic for honesty's sake.











Final Times:

Thanks!

Any extra points for double taps?
I will try shooting Challenge r1 on the same 100 yd target.

We have an IPSC sort of match scheduled for this Saturday only shot with smaller concealed carry guns ( G19 is too big). So the range will be out for me. Maybe I can rig up something on our steel range. Don't know when but I'm excited to shoot this one.

Spent the last 6 days on vacation so I'm playing catch up right now.

Couple of tips from today and in general from shooting these kind of things....

-If you use magnification, anything over 3x is really going to slow you down at any of these ranges. It's counter-intuitive because you'd think you can hit better when you can see better. And you can probably shoot a tighter group, but you'll be slower. Every time a shooter is going too slow on 100 yard steel I suggest that they turn their magnification down and they get faster.

It's because your brain starts waiting for the perfect shot on the target that you see a lot of, rather than taking a good enough shot on the target that you can see some of.

-Trigger control is crucial at 50 yards. You've gotta really focus on breaking the shot cleanly or you'll miss. At the other ranges you can get away with some slapping, but not at 50.

Dry firing will help this tremendously. A great drill that I do is 5 rounds of dry fire for every live round, then five sets of that at a time.

-Set your timer up with plenty of delay. I couldn't adjust the start delay on the timer I used today and 3 seconds just wasn't enough time for me. I got quick-beeped a few times and it slowed me down.
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After I was done I shot some more at 7 yards and got my one-shot times very consistently to 1.2s and my fastest run was 1.05. Under 1 second is very doable with practice.

I'm gonna guess that 15 seconds at 50 yards, 6.5 seconds at 25 yards, and 3.5 / 5.5 seconds at 7 yards will be pretty tough to beat.

Just a rough guess, but anything at 8ish seconds will be hard to beat at 100 yards.

can I fire 5 shots at the 100 yard target and count the total time or do I have to hit the timer and fire one shot and then stop the timer? I don't have anyone that will help me time it, so its just me. Not trying to be difficult just trying to figure a way to do it. Like you said one 30 round magazine will do it, we could in fact add a penalty for each miss I guess.

http://www.accurateshooter.com/gear-reviews/free-shot-timer-iphone-apps/

Maybe one of these will work. I have yet to try it yet but I was planning on using an app like the Surefire.

Top Gun rules of engagement exist for your safety and for that of your team. They're not flexible, nor am I. Obey them or you're history. Is that clear?



Viper

10-4 viper

I bought a timer this past spring when I was shooting a lot of pistol. The timer added way more pressure than I expected and has helped me reaffirm, you can't miss fast enough to win.

Timers are a worthwhile investment.

Maybe on the next challenge we can add some multiple targets and double taps but for now working on presentation will be good.

100yd.

1.90
2.36
1.98
1.88
1.89

Total: 10.01

50yd

3.92
4.01
3.38
3.03
3.49

Total: 17.83

25yd

1.39
1.38
1.22
1.27
1.21

Total: 6.47

7yd

5= 3.19

1.06
1.35
1.07
1.27
1.14

Total: 9.08

Kit and caboodle:



100yd: Cardboard is cut to 12X 24". I had to spray it slightly to give it some contrast against that plywood. Otherwise I doubt I'd have ever hit the thing.



50
The tape is due to my first two shots only resulting in one hole. So I had to walk down and tape it and start it over. Also this plate is right around 8 1/4 or 8 1/2 but I don't give a fugk!



25


7 (first stage)



7 (2nd stage included)


The 100yd is easier than I'd thunked. Steel would be a huge advantage because you'd know if you hit it. When I shot, I just had to assume I was hitting it without shooting more than once and I was lucky in that regard.

The 50 sucks. It's not unlike the 15yd line when shooting pistol. Too far to really haul ass, but close enough that your brain tells you it's easy. In other words, concentrate at the 50.

The 25 and 7 were easy peasy. I'd never shot a 3" circle at 7yds with an AR before so be sure you check your POI before doing so. I had to aim high.

I was alone and I found it easiest to hang the timer on my strong side. I'd position everything pretty snug into my shoulder, drop my strong side hand and hit the button. I can't say I ever got fugked by the delay. I was ready to go by the time it beeped.

The scope is a 3-10X and I left it on 3 just like Mav suggested. I tried with sling and without and found my times without the sling were faster. I think I was fighting the sling unnecessarily at these distances.

I would like to shoot it again with the Storm and a red dot. Then you shall see the definition of awesome.



Travis

Shooting without a timer is a waste of time.



Travis

Shot it today with my comp rifle and an eotech, getting ready for an upcoming match.

7 Yards-5 Shot String


7 Yards-5 Single Shots
1.06---1.23---1.08---1.19---1.19


25 Yards
1.17---1.56---1.31---1.41---1.25

50 Yards
3.11---3.80---3.17---3.75---2.64

I shot them on the same target.

Rifle- Colt M4A1 Block II

Optic- Vortex Razor GII 1-6x

Ammo- M855A1

Timer- Pro Timer

Target- IPSC B/C zone and NRA B8 25m pistol bull. 8 ring is just under 8 inches.




100 yards-

1) 1.14
2) 1.35
3) 1.19
4) 1.45
5) 1.39

Total= 6.52 seconds clean.



50 yards-

1) 2.71
2) 2.55
3) 2.23
4) 2.18
5) 2.41

Total= 12.08 seconds clean.



25 yards-

1) 1.28
2) 1.10
3) 1.11
4) 1.06
5) 1.06

Total= 5.61 seconds clean.



7 yards-

1) 1.74 (5 shots)

1) .98
2) 1.05
3) .85
4) .88
5) .89

Total= 6.39 seconds clean.



100 yard and 25 yard targets/hits.





All targets.













Over all I like it. Well everything except the 100 yard stage. That is an astronomically big target. I shot all stages except 7 yards on 6x. The reticle and dot is big enough that it covers up the black on the pistol bull at 1x, and since it is a single known target having magnification was not a hindrance. Having said that I have little doubt that using a dot would be faster.

I will reshoot it with the 10.5in and Eotech to see.

Pro timer? I have to buy a timer.

You guys should have a "1 MOA ALL DAY LONG" challenge like AR 15.com does....:





They have a call out portion to shut up the loud mouths that don't shoot anything off but their mouths too...

Timer??? I don't even have a smart phone. Can't afford one. Maybe I should go on welfare so the govt. can give me one...

nice groups for an AR.

What does all day mean? Guess i could go look, but I gave up on AR15.com full of idiots almost 20 years ago I bet.

Pro Timer= Competition Electronics Pocket Pro II Timer


I prefer the CED 7000

I have yet to find an online discusion board that doesn't have its share.

very true, but I just couldn't deal wiht the abundance of them over there years ago...

When your hobby is shoot the AR about every other night and lots of rounds, upwards give or take 20K rounds a year, and you are told you don't know squat....

Its like listening to short stick.

The call out thing is great!!! Now to buy a $120.00 timer... did I mention that I hate this place.

What is your rifle and load for the 5 shot groups BSA??

I actually like arfcom better than m4varbine here lately. M4 has too many "warriors" who've wrote all the rules and if you don't go to an approved training class twice a month, you can't possibly know anything. Arfcom has a good equipment exchange, the rest doesn't interest me.

Now about those 5 shot groups, notice how they are not in the same point of impact, if you overlap 4 of them for a 20 shot group, they open up a bit.

Good point on the poi shifts TWR. If you notice, the target says "WINDY"... Most times it was blowing hard to the right so if my first shot was to the right, I'd shoot for a sub moa group and poi would change. The object of the shoot was to shoot moa or better. 5 shots and 5 groups. I also wanted to clarify that this is not a call out of any kind. You guys here on the AR tactical rifles forums are great. I'm really enjoying watching the black rifle challenge and you get guys like deflave competing. Carl Ross had a shoot (postal/positional) going started in the rifle forum and there weren't too many takers. This is where the loud mouths and blowhards (I was talking about) come into play. A couple of them commented saying they could easily shoot it even with iron sights. You guys know the usual culprits. Keep up the good work over here and I thank you guys for letting me join in occasionally. TWR, if you want a 20 shot group, this is the best I can do for you. These 2 10 shot groups were shot 1 right after the other with the same rifle that shot the 10 5 shot groups. You can lay these 2 10 shot groups on top of each other if you want:




POI and being zeroed definitely has its place...

Instead of gabbin' about other websites, why don't you losers shoot the fugkin' challenge?

I was hesitant to shoot this course of fire with my Storm, as I don't want Mav to cyber-bully me. But I figured shooting is always better than not shooting so I went ahead. This was shot with a red dot.

100yds.

3.59
3.61
3.64
3.43
3.21

17.48

50yds

4.07
4.46
6.44
5.01
4.49

24.47

25yds

1.35
2.44
1.33
1.73
1.43

8.28

7yrds

5 = 3.65

1.16
1.25
1.10
1.09
1.05

9.3


100yd



50yd


25yd. Disregard that bottom hole. (that's what she said)


7yd

5shots.


All



Waaaay more comfortable with an AR.



Travis

I like the Competition Electronics. 1 or 2.



Travis

smart phone free ap...

Travis, you make me feel better. I didn't get it how someone can throw up and hit a target at 100 in 1 second....

Probably take me 5.... LOL.

Not sure I can get around to playing before the moose hunt, runnign out of time with lots to do around here before then.

BSA just giving you a hard time, notice the smiley face.

I'm not real proficient with that Storm.

Good luck with the moose.




Travis

Always running short on time, but I did have to shoot the 338-06 to seal in the UBC.

Fired 10 rounds from 100, not sure where you are supposed to start with this game, but I had butt in contact with shoulder, Low ready I think?

Did not download timer yet, have to ask the boss what our password is.

That being said, it seemed like with 6x scope, I had 9 of 10 on 2 vertical sheets of typing paper. Thats with 250s. One I flat yanked low, but a quick glance, that one might have stayed on 12x24.

This could be really fun to play with. Will take a LOT of getting used to.

Best I coudl tell I was taking around 2-3 seconds to get up on and bang.

Moose right now are using life vests in the area we play in. Might get lucky and run the bears into tighter quarters and end up wiht a bear instead.

Regardless AK in Sept is hard to beat.

I shot my 16" Noveske with the 1-6 Firedot VX6 Leupold.
55 gr NBT's

I used a 10x20 "special tactical" target at 100 yards. First 2 runs were not clean but I finally made it.
1.80
1.62
1.61
1.65
1.62
Total of 8.15

I used a paper plate for the 50, it's all I had.
1.91
2.17
1.70
1.97
1.84
Total 9.59

Used a paper plate at 25 too
1.42
1.35
1.18
1.30
1.23
Total 6.48

First I ran the 7 with a pie plate but then realized it was too big. Found a big dot and used it. Missed the very first shot so I just added that time in as well. the next 5 were clean.
1.10 the low miss
1.12
1.14
1.33
1.15
1.09
Total 6.93

And just so Travis doesn't think I was slacking, I spent last weekend in Mexico and had to play catch up at work this week but I got it done!

I'm not a beach person at all, but you look REALLY relaxed. Glad you enjoyed it!!

Jeff

TWR,

You seem like my kinda drinking buddy. Except for that Eagles shirt. Fugk the fugkin' Eagles.

Nice shootin'.

GFY.




Travis

Sorry didn't realize you were Canadian...

Ouch.

TWR, did you shoot 10 shots at 50 or just 5?

He's obviously canadian....




Travis

Try it out loud:

1...2...

1...2...

1...2...





Dave

Negative points for Travis on this one.....

Just 5 did I miss something?

I'm gonna have to do it again ain't I?

deflave, Dave, Travis, all the same in Canada... Oops!

LOL

Downloaded AIPSC timer last night

First time I thought to see if it was done was about 630 this morning waiting on wreckers at a big 18 wheeler wreck... couldn't hear any of the commands, but I was standing next to Truck 1 with the pump engaged in case we had any more fire.

Will have to play with it one evening I guess.

You can just shoot that part of it.

Each distance is it's own match. Then there'll be an overall winner.

This is why I love these matches. Form forced me to really push myself and evaluate what I was doing wrong.

Shot it again today with an Eotech. I ran out of dots, some had to circle misses from old strings and old shots.

I'm still trying to figure out how to make a light AR group under 1 MOA

quit with that already... you are going to force me to order a bartlein blank and go to my buddies and contour the barrel and set it up light and properly and see...

Come on guys....Don't be scared to get away from the bench!

You can shoot any one distance if you're range is short or won't let you rapid fire or whatever.

Tell me what you can't kill with a 1.5 MOA gun?

as much as I don't like 1.5 moa guns, for 300 yards and in, they pretty much work.

I don't care for almost 5 inch group at 300 head shooting, but not many folks would head shoot at 300 anyway so I digress.

My moose rifle is about 1.5 moa..... I don't like it one bit, but its a sentimental gun... and I can't bring myself to get rid of the factory tube and the tupperware stock... I would love to MC it and Bartlein it, but lets be honest, 338-06 runs out of steam, likely around 300 yards..... 5 inches at 300 is minute of heart on a moose easily actually sub minute really....

the timer on my iphone is 4 second delay, and I cannot hear that frequency any longer. I hit start counted 1 1000, 2 1000, 3 1000, 4 1000 and shot the target. I ran out of time so did not shoot the 25 yard deal. I did find that my aimpoint was not zeroed and was shooting to the left. Blue can I count the one hit on the edge of the 50 yard plate? If so 11.67 for 100, 18.03 for 50, 7.98 for 7 yards. Again this is a combination of counting and a timer, its as accurate as I could get without buying a timer, and I spent that money on a new BHW barrel to replace the Noomoreveske.

Here's my final pics (final-ish, Form has thrown down the gauntlet).

Times for 100 yards, dot times on top and VX6 times on bottom. I was able to get below a second with the dot just a few times, but not when I was recording the times for record.


Target, with my hits and some from a shooting partner.


And VX6 at 7 yards

1 shot drill


5 shot drill

If anyone else will shoot this I'll rework the scores. Just keep posting them.

Here's the shakedown on fastest times and scores for now. Fastest times are in red and represent 100% so far.

I only have times for part of the challenge from some people, which is why they don't have total points calculated yet. If you want to shoot just part of the challenge I'll adjust the scores.

Bluedreaux Optics--307 Points
100 Yards-9.43 / 69 Points
50 Yards-18.66 / 65 Points
25 Yards-7.69 / 73 Points
7 Yards-8.09 / 100 Points

Bluedreaux Dot--400 Points
100 Yards-7.02 / 100 Points
50 Yards-16.74 / 100 Points
25 Yards-5.53 / 100 Points
7 Yards-7.23 / 100 Points

Flave Optics--286 Points
100 Yards-10.01 / 65 Points
50 Yards-17.83 / 68 Points
25 Yards-6.47 / 87 Points
7 Yards-12.27 / 66 Points

Flave Dot--231 Points
100 Yards-17.48 / 40 Points
50 Yards-24.47 / 68 Points
25 Yards-8.28 / 67 Points
7 Yards-12.95 / 56 Points

TWR Optics
100 Yards-8.15 / 80 Points
25 Yards-6.48 / 87 Points

JimmyP Dot
100 Yards-11.67 / 60 Points
50 Yards-18.03 / 93 Points

Foridilosioususous Optics--399.5 Points (See Note Below)
100 Yards-6.52 / 100 Points
50 Yards-12.08 / 100 Points
25 Yards-5.61 / 100 Points
7 Yards-8.13 / 99.5 Points
**I rounded up and down to the nearest 100th on the scores, but Form has 99.5% on the 7 yard string. So he's clearly the overall winner but rounding up to 100 points would only confuse things so I left it at 99.5.**

yes I need to finish it...unfortunately it is bow season here in GA now so more folks on the lease and you don't want to be shooting all the time. If the weather would cool down a bit more I will go after them myself.

Bump

Ya I need to do this again with a couple of guns.

Sounds like a cake walk. I was high score on the Carl Ross positional match. This one will be easy. Even with irons.

You know you'll need a timer and not a sun dial...

I shot this today with my Colt 6720 EOThingie and M193. Amazing how bad I am offhand.
100 yards on a 1/2 size silhouette (9x12 not including the head)

10.75 the last shot I went past my target and couldn’t go back quick enough.
50 yards

15.54 I forgot to add the fifth string at 3.20
25 yards

8.11 but my shot is out even though it’s 8” it’s still a miss but there it is.
7 yards

6.62

I couldn’t remember the offset but here it is too.

Forgot the rifle.

All shots offhand from low ready

Haven’t shot this since 2015. Cool to see it back.



Today cold-

100- 7.06sec

50- 11.51sec

25- 5.51sec

7- 7.87sec


IIDMC...

Dammit, I'm going to have to get off the bench and shoot this one. No time to try it yesterday, even though I was at the range half the day and then hit up a new range in the evening... Hopefully my shot timer works. I was only picking up 9 shots when I fired off 10 shots at 100 yards the other day. Practicing for that event we had yesterday. I managed 10 shots in 9 seconds and a score of 100-9x... The Northtech kicks some azz... It fared pretty well in the Carl Ross positional match that Formid remembers shooting...:

Alright, I pulled my azz off the bench and shot this with my new Colt. I did this late lastnight and fired my last shot at 9:20 pm, so light was just fading and irons were harder to see. I didn't shoot my 50 yard target clean, dropped 2 shots so It will give me a good reason to shoot this again. I love my new rifle but optics and shooting left handed is going to be a lot quicker. Keep in mind, I shoot irons weak side because of my eyesight, so I'm not as naturally quick to the target as I am shooting left handed. Here are the pics with low score, but at least I shot it. I had no intention of shooting this lastnight, as I was working on a load for my m96 swedish mauser for the military rifle shoot I'll be doing next saturday. I brought my new Colt along, so figured what the hell:

100 yard target. Didn't need the huge 12"x24". Did it easily with a 12"x15" target. That means I can run it faster:



50 yard target:


25 yard target. Group is nice, target size is big for 25 yards, so that means I can easily run it faster, even shooting weak side and irons. POI was a little lower, so I'll have to hold a little higher next time:


7 yard target. 3" circle is fairly big at 7 yards. I was worried i'd miss and look stupid, so i probably took longer than necessary:


Times written on the back side of one of the targets I was using for load development for my military rifle:

Yeah, my military rifle is shooting sub moa 3 shot groups with irons at 100 yards... Don't pay attention to that though..

Oops, I left out the best part:


Excuse the piss poor cell pics and slow times.. Will be much better next time with an optic and shooting from my strong side.. I'll probably use my Northtech Defense next time out..

You did great! There's no way I could shoot it that quick weaksided and I don't shoot these to beat anyone but myself. It's an easy way to see if I'm getting better or not. If I compared my scores to everyone else I'd be disappointed. There's always someone better.

Thanks buddy. I don't mind it much off the bench or during slow fire, but getting on target real quick doesn't feel natural like it does shooting left handed. In some ways, its like I'm learning all over again. This is great practice for me to get quicker, since I can't hunt jackrabbits here in oregon, like I did when I was a kid living in Nevada.. Thats the nice thing about shooting, you can always change things up a bit to make it more interesting...

Blue, no one seems to want to shoot these matches here. Seems like there's always guys griping because we shoot off the bench a lot. Then you have an event like this where you shoot offhand, and those guys griping don't shoot it. I'll post some results from two rifles I shot today. When I get home. This time I have no excuses because I shot left-handed

Shot this with 2 rifles tonight. Used scopes too. Makes it much easier, for me anyways...

Rifles in the pic are my Northtech defense and Spikes tactical 6WOA. Both wearing Burris AR556 and AR762 4.5-14x42 rifle scopes. :


Scores written down as I shot and took the reading from the timer. If you notice, on the 50 yard run, I recorded the times for the second shot as well.. The timer has that info, so I wrote it down:



Looks like scores are as follows:

100 yard target with clean score. I made mine 12"x12", since 12x24 is pretty fn big...:
Northtech defense:
7.26 seconds

6WOA:
7.74 seconds


Northtech defense 50 yard score:
13.67 seconds

6WOA score at 50 yards:
14.37 seconds

Northtech defense 25 yard score:
6.54 seconds

6WOA 25 yard score:
6.85 seconds

Northtech defense 7 yard target score:
5.42 seconds

6WOA 7 yard score:
5.35 seconds. Forgot to write down the last time of 1.12 seconds.

Target pics:








[img]https://i.imgur.com/VoZKtJy.jpg[/img]

I would have thought formid would have kicked my azz more than that. Maybe our technique is a little different, especially on the close chidt. Keep in mind, I'm using 4.5-14x42 rifle scopes on both rifles in the picture. Thats proof right there, that you don't need 1x or less than 4x to shoot close targets. Ive shot elk running toward me as close as 15 yards away, with a 3-9x40 rifle scope.