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Wow, those are some impressive black bears. The must be eating out of really full garbage cans. If I expected to run into one that big, yea, I'd take a bigger gun.

The Colorado record is just over 700 pounds, but our average blackie is closer to 200-250.


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More like beehives, apples, corn, and pigs.

According to a VA guy on the Deer Hunting Forum, Virginia bears eat mainly whitetail fawns. Might be overstating that a bit.

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TN deer. I surely admire that shot placement, my fav! Any animal, any range, any cal. As MD/Eilene has advised us "Pointy end forward, in the front 1/2". Muddy

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I bet you would be surprised how many fawns they eat. Course, that's only in the spring.


Oh, and believe it or not, deer bite. Fairly hard.
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Ingwe doesn't like the meat destruction from the 64 Nosler Bonded because he mostly shoots 30-pound deer.


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Originally Posted by Mule Deer
Ingwe doesn't like the meat destruction from the 64 Nosler Bonded because he mostly shoots 30-pound deer.


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Ingwe only shoots 30 pound deer! Now that is what I call being selective.

Maybe he should go to the .204.
If he "improved" it we could all refer to it as Ingwe's "Great 204 Rigby"....WOW! Sort of a mini 416 Rigby.

Mule Deer, there is some new fodder for loonies.

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A 30 pounder would be yet another perfect application for the .22 Hornet, I believe, with the now-discontinued Nosler 45gr Solid Base.


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Well, Ingwe is pretty selective. Some of the deer he's killed in the past few years might have had 30-some pounds of meat on them, but those would qualify as ITB's (Ingwe Trophy Bucks).


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Originally Posted by Mule Deer
Well, Ingwe is pretty selective. Some of the deer he's killed in the past few years might have had 30-some pounds of meat on them, but those would qualify as ITB's (Ingwe Trophy Bucks).


Didn't Jimmy Durante have a hit like "Ingwe Dinka Deer" or something?

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You just carbon dated yourself, big time.

An obsolete reference like that requires background materials for the little nippers like Travis.


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I've heard of Aristotle too, so how old must I be? grin

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Depends on how well you knew him. Was he your teacher or your student?

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any reason you like these over a Barnes? The 62 TTSX is 56 cents a piece this bonded bullet seems to be 41 cents a piece. I like the 62 federal fusion as well, but generally like to shoot deer with the TTSX.


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Why no love for the 60 gr partition?


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$.25 per each on clearance and also picked up discount Nosler brass.

I haven't tried any Barnes TTWhatevers yet, but have nothing against them except that folks say they work best pushed really fast. My deer loads in larger calibers usually run about 2600-2900fps and c&c bullets work just fine for Bambi.

I may well try the 60gr NPs, when I get a deal on 'em, but the photos of water jug tested BP bullets look like NPs, so why pay more?


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The 60 NPT works well in my .223.

In my 8 twist .22-250 Mohawk/Shilen, I get great groups with 75 Amax and VLD's. That gun just doesn't like the 64 BSB, I can't find a load that will shoot less than 2" at a hundred, the other mentioned bullets shoot half inch.

Still testing. I want to try the 64 BSB in my 7 twist .22-204. It loves the 75 Amax, VLD and SSII.

I may try the BSB in my custom .223 Ranch Rifle which shoots the 65 Gameking pretty well. That would be a good comparison. I wouldn't bet the farm 64 BSB's will out shoot 65 Gamekings.

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25 cents is cool, I ran into the same deal with 30 cal GMC blems, you cannot pass it up. OTOH I stick with solid copper in the 223 despite cost.

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I don't know how the 64s will shoot in my new gun, or I would have loaded up instead of just buying 100. They don't have to shoot all that great to be useful for deer. On the other hand, at that price, if they shoot really well, then I'll try to get a bunch more for general use on does and maybe 'yotes. BC ain't all that important around here as ranges are generally pretty short.

I can't see the extra money for the copper slugs for my purposes. Maybe living with a Chinese woman (the Chinese can teach God's Chosen People a thing or too about pinching a penny) has started to rub off on me.

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My sample of one nice doe with the 62 grain Federal Fusion convinced me that the .223 with that load works well. My son hit one quartering to him at about 90 yards, broke the front shoulder (humerus, hit it squarely), tore up the heart and lungs, and the slug was found nicely mushroomed in the off-flank under the skin. Deer did a literal back-flip and was dead.


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