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Nosler 64gr Bonded #10343138 08/26/15 Joined: Nov 2013 Posts: 28,751 West of the Blue Ridge Pappy348 OP Campfire Ranger OP Pappy348 Campfire Ranger Joined: Nov 2013 Posts: 28,751 West of the Blue Ridge Anyone have experience with the Nosler 64gr bonded .224 bullets on either game or just in general? What fresh Hell is this?

Re: Nosler 64gr Bonded Pappy348 #10343786 08/26/15 Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 29,626 Mi. E efw Campfire Ranger efw Campfire Ranger E Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 29,626 Mi. the Nosler reloading site has quite a bit of info including recovered bullets from animals and test media. Seems like a stout little bugger; my 10 yo is running 'em this fall through my AR for whitetails so hopefully I'll have some field experience to share in a couple of months.

Re: Nosler 64gr Bonded Pappy348 #10343892 08/26/15 Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 3,491 R RinB Campfire Tracker RinB Campfire Tracker R Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 3,491 ewf...Where did you find info on Nosler's site? “Perfection is achieved not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away”. Antoine de Saint-Exupery. Posted by Brad.

Re: Nosler 64gr Bonded RinB #10344156 08/26/15 Joined: Nov 2013 Posts: 28,751 West of the Blue Ridge Pappy348 OP Campfire Ranger OP Pappy348 Campfire Ranger Joined: Nov 2013 Posts: 28,751 West of the Blue Ridge Here: http://forum.nosler.com Then under Reloading and bullets tests. Just found it myself. These bullets don't look very arrow-dynamic, but are bonded. The jug recoveries look pretty good as do the couple of critter tests. What fresh Hell is this?

Re: Nosler 64gr Bonded Pappy348 #10344206 08/26/15 Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 2,886 Ralphie Campfire Regular Ralphie Campfire Regular Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 2,886 My daughter will be trying them on deer in October. Mule or WT. They shot pretty well in my 22-250 when a partition couldn't even make the target.

Re: Nosler 64gr Bonded Pappy348 #10344234 08/26/15 Joined: May 2009 Posts: 1,378 SE Idaho C CraigD Campfire Regular CraigD Campfire Regular C Joined: May 2009 Posts: 1,378 SE Idaho My initial 100 yard groups with the 64gr Bonded Noslers was about double that of those shot with 69 SMKs in a 6920 Colt. However, I am looking into them for home defense and they are MOA of bad guy. I am continuing to work on a better load for deer.

Re: Nosler 64gr Bonded Ralphie #10344276 08/26/15 Joined: Nov 2012 Posts: 2,623 Idaho N NTG Campfire Regular NTG Campfire Regular N Joined: Nov 2012 Posts: 2,623 Idaho Originally Posted by Ralphie My daughter will be trying them on deer in October. Mule or WT. They shot pretty well in my 22-250 when a partition couldn't even make the target. What is your rifle's twist? I have a 22-250 with a 1/14 twist and was wondering if these would stabilize.

Re: Nosler 64gr Bonded Pappy348 #10344352 08/26/15 Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 30,950 Colorado A antelope_sniper Campfire 'Bwana antelope_sniper Campfire 'Bwana A Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 30,950 Colorado I've been working with them in my AR. So far my best groups are with IMR4895 and a CCI400 primer. They are grouping about an inch out of a half inch gun. You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it. You cannot over estimate the unimportance of nearly everything. John Maxwell

Re: Nosler 64gr Bonded antelope_sniper #10344466 08/26/15 Joined: Nov 2013 Posts: 28,751 West of the Blue Ridge Pappy348 OP Campfire Ranger OP Pappy348 Campfire Ranger Joined: Nov 2013 Posts: 28,751 West of the Blue Ridge I've got plenty of plastic-tipped stuff for shooting critters in the eye. These are for punching ribs. What fresh Hell is this?

Re: Nosler 64gr Bonded Pappy348 #10344598 08/26/15 Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 30,950 Colorado A antelope_sniper Campfire 'Bwana antelope_sniper Campfire 'Bwana A Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 30,950 Colorado Originally Posted by Pappy348 I've got plenty of plastic-tipped stuff for shooting critters in the eye. These are for punching ribs. I've got a thousand of the I intend to load for that purpose, just as soon as I settle on a final load. You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it. You cannot over estimate the unimportance of nearly everything. John Maxwell

Re: Nosler 64gr Bonded NTG #10344762 08/26/15 Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 2,886 Ralphie Campfire Regular Ralphie Campfire Regular Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 2,886 Originally Posted by NTG Originally Posted by Ralphie My daughter will be trying them on deer in October. Mule or WT. They shot pretty well in my 22-250 when a partition couldn't even make the target. What is your rifle's twist? I have a 22-250 with a 1/14 twist and was wondering if these would stabilize. 1 in 14. It actually shot pretty well with a couple of the 60+ bullets. The sierra 63 grainer shot really well too. Legally I have to be 60+ for Wyoming. I started with the partitions since I use them in other calibers. They sucked for me and I found quite a few other bad reports too.

Re: Nosler 64gr Bonded Ralphie #10344870 08/26/15 Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 30,950 Colorado A antelope_sniper Campfire 'Bwana antelope_sniper Campfire 'Bwana A Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 30,950 Colorado Originally Posted by Ralphie Originally Posted by NTG Originally Posted by Ralphie My daughter will be trying them on deer in October. Mule or WT. They shot pretty well in my 22-250 when a partition couldn't even make the target. What is your rifle's twist? I have a 22-250 with a 1/14 twist and was wondering if these would stabilize. 1 in 14. It actually shot pretty well with a couple of the 60+ bullets. The sierra 63 grainer shot really well too. Legally I have to be 60+ for Wyoming. I started with the partitions since I use them in other calibers. They sucked for me and I found quite a few other bad reports too. I couldn't get the 60gr partitions to shoot with ball powders, but they will print 5/8 MOA groups for me with IMR4895. You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it. You cannot over estimate the unimportance of nearly everything. John Maxwell

Re: Nosler 64gr Bonded Pappy348 #10344886 08/26/15 Joined: May 2005 Posts: 1,696 Western, MI J JD338 Campfire Regular JD338 Campfire Regular J Joined: May 2005 Posts: 1,696 Western, MI Take a look here. http://forum.nosler.com/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=18868 JD338

Re: Nosler 64gr Bonded Pappy348 #10345976 08/26/15 Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 2,932 D devnull Campfire Regular devnull Campfire Regular D Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 2,932 My daughter used this bullet on a small deer a couple years ago. 25.0 gr Varget out of a M4 style AR. It puched through both ribs and left a silver dollar sized exit hole. Deer ran about 50 yards and piled up. I think these bullets are plenty stout for shoulder shots on deer.

Re: Nosler 64gr Bonded Pappy348 #10346948 08/26/15 Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 10,258 Colorado Springs, CO Prwlr Campfire Outfitter Prwlr Campfire Outfitter Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 10,258 Colorado Springs, CO Pappy PM Ingwe, he has some actual game experience with this bullet. I have used it in my 22-250 and it shoots very well but no on game experience. Ed A person who asks a question is a fool for 5 minutes the person who never asks is a fool forever. The worst slaves are those that put the chains on themselves.

Re: Nosler 64gr Bonded Pappy348 #10347692 08/26/15 Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,688 SE Tennessee TN deer hunter Campfire Regular TN deer hunter Campfire Regular Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,688 SE Tennessee My daughter killed this 100# doe at 120yds using my .223AI and the 64gr Bonded. Bullet broke both shoulders and exited she ran about 40yds. Great bullets very similar to the old TBBC. Entrance is shown in the picture exit was about the size of a quarter. Last edited by TN deer hunter; 08/26/15. The scientific name for an animal that doesn't either run from or fight its enemies is lunch. - Michael Friedman

Re: Nosler 64gr Bonded Prwlr #10347778 08/26/15 Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 5,932 Between somewhere and nowhere M MissouriEd Campfire Tracker MissouriEd Campfire Tracker M Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 5,932 Between somewhere and nowhere Originally Posted by Prwlr Pappy PM Ingwe, he has some actual game experience with this bullet. I have used it in my 22-250 and it shoots very well but no on game experience. IIRC the poba don't like it as he claims it's too destructive. Beware of thieves, scammers and dishonest members on the "Fire" classifieds. Ya there is a thief here too. Whatever!! They're all around the CampFire and everywhere.

Re: Nosler 64gr Bonded Pappy348 #10349234 08/27/15 Joined: Nov 2013 Posts: 28,751 West of the Blue Ridge Pappy348 OP Campfire Ranger OP Pappy348 Campfire Ranger Joined: Nov 2013 Posts: 28,751 West of the Blue Ridge Thanks guys. I've got a Vanguard S2 .223 in the pipe along with a set of Talleys, some Nosler brass and the bullets in question. I plan to give them a try during the doe season. The burning question is, since the bear season runs concurrent with the firearms deer seasons, what will I do if I see one while carrying the .223 stuffed with the Bonded Performance slugs? BTW, we took a detour today coming home from the vet in Washington, VA. Got on the Skyline Drive at Thorton Gap on Rt. 211. About ten miles from Front Royal, a bear cub scooted across the road in front of us, climbed up on the stone wall, looked back at us and jumped to the other side. I eased along a few yards trying to catch another look and a little bear noggin popped up over the wall for a few seconds to check us out and then disappeared. I don't know if it was the same one or its sibling. He was a Kodiak lookin' feller of about 30 pounds or so. What fresh Hell is this?

Re: Nosler 64gr Bonded Pappy348 #10349252 08/27/15 Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 30,950 Colorado A antelope_sniper Campfire 'Bwana antelope_sniper Campfire 'Bwana A Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 30,950 Colorado I don't imagine your West Virginian Black Bears are all that big. It it's legal, I'd shoot it with what you were carrying. If you are not comfortable doing that, or it's not legal, then it's time to bring a bigger gun. You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it. You cannot over estimate the unimportance of nearly everything. John Maxwell

Re: Nosler 64gr Bonded Pappy348 #10349378 08/27/15 Joined: Nov 2013 Posts: 28,751 West of the Blue Ridge Pappy348 OP Campfire Ranger OP Pappy348 Campfire Ranger Joined: Nov 2013 Posts: 28,751 West of the Blue Ridge Neighboring PA has had five bears over 800lbs taken in the last five years. A VA hunter recently took a 728lb bear which puts it just below the state record of 740. MD, PA, VA, and WV are all knotted up together around here. Given the ramblin' nature of bears, they can end up pretty much anywhere. Most of those heavy bears are pretty fat, but still have to be big-boned to carry all that lard. What fresh Hell is this?

Re: Nosler 64gr Bonded Pappy348 #10349704 08/27/15 Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 30,950 Colorado A antelope_sniper Campfire 'Bwana antelope_sniper Campfire 'Bwana A Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 30,950 Colorado Wow, those are some impressive black bears. The must be eating out of really full garbage cans. If I expected to run into one that big, yea, I'd take a bigger gun. The Colorado record is just over 700 pounds, but our average blackie is closer to 200-250. You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it. You cannot over estimate the unimportance of nearly everything. John Maxwell

Re: Nosler 64gr Bonded Pappy348 #10350762 08/27/15 Joined: Nov 2013 Posts: 28,751 West of the Blue Ridge Pappy348 OP Campfire Ranger OP Pappy348 Campfire Ranger Joined: Nov 2013 Posts: 28,751 West of the Blue Ridge More like beehives, apples, corn, and pigs. According to a VA guy on the Deer Hunting Forum, Virginia bears eat mainly whitetail fawns. Might be overstating that a bit. Last edited by Pappy348; 08/27/15. What fresh Hell is this?

Re: Nosler 64gr Bonded Pappy348 #10350916 08/27/15 Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 983 M muddy22 Campfire Regular muddy22 Campfire Regular M Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 983 TN deer. I surely admire that shot placement, my fav! Any animal, any range, any cal. As MD/Eilene has advised us "Pointy end forward, in the front 1/2". Muddy

Re: Nosler 64gr Bonded Pappy348 #10350928 08/27/15 Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 2,516 PA B borden811 Campfire Regular borden811 Campfire Regular B Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 2,516 PA I bet you would be surprised how many fawns they eat. Course, that's only in the spring. Oh, and believe it or not, deer bite. Fairly hard.

Re: Nosler 64gr Bonded borden811 #10351022 08/27/15 Joined: Jul 2001 Posts: 60,080 Banana Belt, Montana M Mule Deer Campfire Kahuna Mule Deer Campfire Kahuna M Joined: Jul 2001 Posts: 60,080 Banana Belt, Montana Ingwe doesn't like the meat destruction from the 64 Nosler Bonded because he mostly shoots 30-pound deer. “Montana seems to me to be what a small boy would think Texas is like from hearing Texans.” John Steinbeck

Re: Nosler 64gr Bonded Mule Deer #10351070 08/27/15 Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 15,648 ms N navlav8r Campfire Ranger navlav8r Campfire Ranger N Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 15,648 ms Originally Posted by Mule Deer Ingwe doesn't like the meat destruction from the 64 Nosler Bonded because he mostly shoots 30-pound deer. ZIIIIIIIING!!! NRA Life,Endowment,Patron or Benefactor since '72.

Re: Nosler 64gr Bonded Pappy348 #10352288 08/27/15 Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 3,491 R RinB Campfire Tracker RinB Campfire Tracker R Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 3,491 Ingwe only shoots 30 pound deer! Now that is what I call being selective. Maybe he should go to the .204. If he "improved" it we could all refer to it as Ingwe's "Great 204 Rigby"....WOW! Sort of a mini 416 Rigby. Mule Deer, there is some new fodder for loonies. Last edited by RinB; 08/27/15. “Perfection is achieved not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away”. Antoine de Saint-Exupery. Posted by Brad.

Re: Nosler 64gr Bonded Pappy348 #10352648 08/27/15 Joined: Nov 2013 Posts: 28,751 West of the Blue Ridge Pappy348 OP Campfire Ranger OP Pappy348 Campfire Ranger Joined: Nov 2013 Posts: 28,751 West of the Blue Ridge A 30 pounder would be yet another perfect application for the .22 Hornet, I believe, with the now-discontinued Nosler 45gr Solid Base. What fresh Hell is this?

Re: Nosler 64gr Bonded Pappy348 #10353196 08/28/15 Joined: Jul 2001 Posts: 60,080 Banana Belt, Montana M Mule Deer Campfire Kahuna Mule Deer Campfire Kahuna M Joined: Jul 2001 Posts: 60,080 Banana Belt, Montana Well, Ingwe is pretty selective. Some of the deer he's killed in the past few years might have had 30-some pounds of meat on them, but those would qualify as ITB's (Ingwe Trophy Bucks). “Montana seems to me to be what a small boy would think Texas is like from hearing Texans.” John Steinbeck

Re: Nosler 64gr Bonded Mule Deer #10353248 08/28/15 Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 44,817 M mathman Campfire 'Bwana mathman Campfire 'Bwana M Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 44,817 Originally Posted by Mule Deer Well, Ingwe is pretty selective. Some of the deer he's killed in the past few years might have had 30-some pounds of meat on them, but those would qualify as ITB's (Ingwe Trophy Bucks). Didn't Jimmy Durante have a hit like "Ingwe Dinka Deer" or something?

Re: Nosler 64gr Bonded mathman #10353408 08/28/15 Joined: Nov 2013 Posts: 28,751 West of the Blue Ridge Pappy348 OP Campfire Ranger OP Pappy348 Campfire Ranger Joined: Nov 2013 Posts: 28,751 West of the Blue Ridge You just carbon dated yourself, big time. An obsolete reference like that requires background materials for the little nippers like Travis. What fresh Hell is this?

Re: Nosler 64gr Bonded Pappy348 #10353452 08/28/15 Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 44,817 M mathman Campfire 'Bwana mathman Campfire 'Bwana M Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 44,817 I've heard of Aristotle too, so how old must I be?

Re: Nosler 64gr Bonded mathman #10353482 08/28/15 Joined: Nov 2013 Posts: 28,751 West of the Blue Ridge Pappy348 OP Campfire Ranger OP Pappy348 Campfire Ranger Joined: Nov 2013 Posts: 28,751 West of the Blue Ridge Depends on how well you knew him. Was he your teacher or your student? Last edited by Pappy348; 08/28/15. What fresh Hell is this?

Re: Nosler 64gr Bonded Pappy348 #10353558 08/28/15 Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 18,300 Mobile J jimmyp Campfire Ranger jimmyp Campfire Ranger J Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 18,300 Mobile any reason you like these over a Barnes? The 62 TTSX is 56 cents a piece this bonded bullet seems to be 41 cents a piece. I like the 62 federal fusion as well, but generally like to shoot deer with the TTSX.

Re: Nosler 64gr Bonded Pappy348 #10353604 08/28/15 Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 12,471 Where the wild things are. Sakoluvr Campfire Outfitter Sakoluvr Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 12,471 Where the wild things are. Why no love for the 60 gr partition? Faith and love of others knows no mileage nor bounds. That's simply the way it is. dogzapper After the game is over, the king and the pawn go into the same box. Italian Proverb

Re: Nosler 64gr Bonded jimmyp #10353704 08/28/15 Joined: Nov 2013 Posts: 28,751 West of the Blue Ridge Pappy348 OP Campfire Ranger OP Pappy348 Campfire Ranger Joined: Nov 2013 Posts: 28,751 West of the Blue Ridge $.25 per each on clearance and also picked up discount Nosler brass. I haven't tried any Barnes TTWhatevers yet, but have nothing against them except that folks say they work best pushed really fast. My deer loads in larger calibers usually run about 2600-2900fps and c&c bullets work just fine for Bambi. I may well try the 60gr NPs, when I get a deal on 'em, but the photos of water jug tested BP bullets look like NPs, so why pay more? What fresh Hell is this?

Re: Nosler 64gr Bonded Pappy348 #10353708 08/28/15 Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,077 Central Louisiana D Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana D Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,077 Central Louisiana The 60 NPT works well in my .223. In my 8 twist .22-250 Mohawk/Shilen, I get great groups with 75 Amax and VLD's. That gun just doesn't like the 64 BSB, I can't find a load that will shoot less than 2" at a hundred, the other mentioned bullets shoot half inch. Still testing. I want to try the 64 BSB in my 7 twist .22-204. It loves the 75 Amax, VLD and SSII. I may try the BSB in my custom .223 Ranch Rifle which shoots the 65 Gameking pretty well. That would be a good comparison. I wouldn't bet the farm 64 BSB's will out shoot 65 Gamekings. DF

Re: Nosler 64gr Bonded Pappy348 #10353762 08/28/15 Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 18,300 Mobile J jimmyp Campfire Ranger jimmyp Campfire Ranger J Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 18,300 Mobile 25 cents is cool, I ran into the same deal with 30 cal GMC blems, you cannot pass it up. OTOH I stick with solid copper in the 223 despite cost. Last edited by jimmyp; 08/28/15.

Re: Nosler 64gr Bonded Dirtfarmer #10353808 08/28/15 Joined: Nov 2013 Posts: 28,751 West of the Blue Ridge Pappy348 OP Campfire Ranger OP Pappy348 Campfire Ranger Joined: Nov 2013 Posts: 28,751 West of the Blue Ridge I don't know how the 64s will shoot in my new gun, or I would have loaded up instead of just buying 100. They don't have to shoot all that great to be useful for deer. On the other hand, at that price, if they shoot really well, then I'll try to get a bunch more for general use on does and maybe 'yotes. BC ain't all that important around here as ranges are generally pretty short. I can't see the extra money for the copper slugs for my purposes. Maybe living with a Chinese woman (the Chinese can teach God's Chosen People a thing or too about pinching a penny) has started to rub off on me. Last edited by Pappy348; 08/28/15. What fresh Hell is this?

Re: Nosler 64gr Bonded Pappy348 #10353912 08/28/15 Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 196 Bonners Ferry, Idaho B Bently Campfire Member Bently Campfire Member B Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 196 Bonners Ferry, Idaho My sample of one nice doe with the 62 grain Federal Fusion convinced me that the .223 with that load works well. My son hit one quartering to him at about 90 yards, broke the front shoulder (humerus, hit it squarely), tore up the heart and lungs, and the slug was found nicely mushroomed in the off-flank under the skin. Deer did a literal back-flip and was dead. Regards, Ben

Re: Nosler 64gr Bonded Pappy348 #10354376 08/28/15 Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,077 Central Louisiana D Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana D Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,077 Central Louisiana I've heard nothing but good stuff about the 64 BSB's terminal performance on game. It's stubby profile and less than stellar target reputation may make it better for meat than groups. But, I haven't given up on getting some decent groups. DF Last edited by Dirtfarmer; 08/28/15.

Re: Nosler 64gr Bonded Pappy348 #10354732 08/28/15 Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 30,950 Colorado A antelope_sniper Campfire 'Bwana antelope_sniper Campfire 'Bwana A Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 30,950 Colorado Originally Posted by Pappy348 I don't know how the 64s will shoot in my new gun, or I would have loaded up instead of just buying 100. They don't have to shoot all that great to be useful for deer. On the other hand, at that price, if they shoot really well, then I'll try to get a bunch more for general use on does and maybe 'yotes. BC ain't all that important around here as ranges are generally pretty short. I can't see the extra money for the copper slugs for my purposes. Maybe living with a Chinese woman (the Chinese can teach God's Chosen People a thing or too about pinching a penny) has started to rub off on me. Actually, they have a better BC then the 60gr partition. You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it. You cannot over estimate the unimportance of nearly everything. John Maxwell

Re: Nosler 64gr Bonded Pappy348 #10355152 08/28/15 Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,077 Central Louisiana D Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana D Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,077 Central Louisiana I have a number of 64 BSB loads ready to try in my Ranch Rifle tomorrow morning. Will chrono and will report. DF

Re: Nosler 64gr Bonded Pappy348 #10355948 08/28/15 Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 4,418 Northern Hill Country D DesertMuleDeer Campfire Tracker DesertMuleDeer Campfire Tracker D Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 4,418 Northern Hill Country In my limited experience with them, they expand well and penetrate like crazy.

Re: Nosler 64gr Bonded Bently #10356056 08/28/15 Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,077 Central Louisiana D Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana D Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,077 Central Louisiana Originally Posted by Bently My sample of one nice doe with the 62 grain Federal Fusion convinced me that the .223 with that load works well. My son hit one quartering to him at about 90 yards, broke the front shoulder (humerus, hit it squarely), tore up the heart and lungs, and the slug was found nicely mushroomed in the off-flank under the skin. Deer did a literal back-flip and was dead. You can't beat that performance, regardless of the round. But, we hear all the time, you need bigger than .224 bore to kill a WT... I find it amazing how kids whack WT's with .223's on a regular basis, but adults somehow need larger bores to do the same thing... DF

Re: Nosler 64gr Bonded RinB #10356096 08/28/15 Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,077 Central Louisiana D Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana D Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,077 Central Louisiana Originally Posted by RinB Ingwe only shoots 30 pound deer! Now that is what I call being selective. Maybe he should go to the .204. If he "improved" it we could all refer to it as Ingwe's "Great 204 Rigby"....WOW! Sort of a mini 416 Rigby. Mule Deer, there is some new fodder for loonies. There was a substantial WT buck shot in LA with a .204. That guy got himself into a heap of trouble, lost his trophy, got fined, not pretty. If he'd have put that gun in the truck and been holding an old 30-30 or similar for the pictures and story, he'd be a lot happier today... His ignorance of game laws wasn't much of a defense... DF

Re: Nosler 64gr Bonded Dirtfarmer #10356156 08/28/15 Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 44,817 M mathman Campfire 'Bwana mathman Campfire 'Bwana M Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 44,817 I believe he also got rung up for several counts of contest fraud.

Re: Nosler 64gr Bonded Pappy348 #10356184 08/28/15 Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,077 Central Louisiana D Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana D Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,077 Central Louisiana Things didn't go well for him, for sure. All that was preventable. DF

Re: Nosler 64gr Bonded Dirtfarmer #10356338 08/28/15 Joined: Nov 2013 Posts: 28,751 West of the Blue Ridge Pappy348 OP Campfire Ranger OP Pappy348 Campfire Ranger Joined: Nov 2013 Posts: 28,751 West of the Blue Ridge Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer Things didn't go well for him, for sure. All that was preventable. DF Yup. Life's tough enough without stepping on your own winky. Some folks just have to play with fire though. Playing games with the rules is half the fun, I 'spose. What fresh Hell is this?

Re: Nosler 64gr Bonded Pappy348 #10359684 08/29/15 Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,077 Central Louisiana D Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana D Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,077 Central Louisiana He told everyone, including LEO's about it. Guess he didn't realize it was illegal. He sure found out. Back to the 64 BSB. I shot a number of loads this AM out of the above custom Ranch Rifle. I used accuracy loads from where ever I could find some. I used a number of powders including CFE-223, Varget, Ball C, and Benchmark. The only load that went under an inch was 25 gr. Varget. Not a match bullet, not a tack driver, but a good meat bullet. I'll load a batch of the Varget variety and go kill something. DF

Re: Nosler 64gr Bonded Dirtfarmer #10360164 08/29/15 Joined: Nov 2013 Posts: 28,751 West of the Blue Ridge Pappy348 OP Campfire Ranger OP Pappy348 Campfire Ranger Joined: Nov 2013 Posts: 28,751 West of the Blue Ridge That's how I feel about it. The only holes I'm worried about are the exit holes. What fresh Hell is this?

Re: Nosler 64gr Bonded Dirtfarmer #10361246 08/29/15 Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 24,272 Arkansas O ol_mike Campfire Ranger ol_mike Campfire Ranger O Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 24,272 Arkansas Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer He told everyone, including LEO's about it. Guess he didn't realize it was illegal. He sure found out. Back to the 64 BSB. I shot a number of loads this AM out of the above custom Ranch Rifle. I used accuracy loads from where ever I could find some. I used a number of powders including CFE-223, Varget, Ball C, and Benchmark. The only load that went under an inch was 25 gr. Varget. Not a match bullet, not a tack driver, but a good meat bullet. I'll load a batch of the Varget variety and go kill something. DF ---------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for the accuracy report Dirtfarmer , makes me glad I haven't bought any of these. I have some 65gr. game kings that group about an inch @ 100yds. and hit the target tip first out of a 12tw barrel . PRESIDENT TRUMP 2024/2028 !!!!!!!!!! Posted by Bristoe The people wringing their hands over Trump's rhetoric don't know what time it is in America.

Re: Nosler 64gr Bonded Pappy348 #10361548 08/30/15 Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,077 Central Louisiana D Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana D Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,077 Central Louisiana Yep, 65 gr. Gamekings will smoke 64 gr. BSB's at the range. The BSB performs very well on critters, I think the Gameking does pretty well, too. I guess the bottom line between those two would be terminal performance. I've not seen a comparison. I would think the BSB will hold together better than the Gameking, better chance of an exit wound. Dead is dead, so it would depend on the size critter being hunted. Would appreciate input comparing these two on game. DF

Re: Nosler 64gr Bonded Dirtfarmer #10362824 08/30/15 Joined: Nov 2013 Posts: 28,751 West of the Blue Ridge Pappy348 OP Campfire Ranger OP Pappy348 Campfire Ranger Joined: Nov 2013 Posts: 28,751 West of the Blue Ridge Sierra doesn't say much about ths one, but a few of the reviewers say it will indeed kill deer. As the regular price is the same as the over-run price on the BSBs, it's worth a shot. What fresh Hell is this?

Re: Nosler 64gr Bonded Pappy348 #10362982 08/30/15 Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 930 South Central Kansas 6 65X54 Campfire Regular 65X54 Campfire Regular 6 Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 930 South Central Kansas Watching this topic and seeing everyone else is having about the same experience with the BSB's that I have. While I've never seen either the Sierra 65 gr or the BSB 64 gr used on game I think I'll take my chances with that 1 1/4 in. or so group I get with the 64 BSB over the 3/4 in. group with the 65 gr Sierra. Have no intentions in using either as a long range round.

Re: Nosler 64gr Bonded Pappy348 #10363372 08/30/15 Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 30,950 Colorado A antelope_sniper Campfire 'Bwana antelope_sniper Campfire 'Bwana A Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 30,950 Colorado If I can get 3/4" groups with the BSB's I'll be ecstatic. Some evil person on this thread mentioned their good results with Varget, so I guess I'll have to pick up a pound and try it. You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it. You cannot over estimate the unimportance of nearly everything. John Maxwell

Re: Nosler 64gr Bonded Pappy348 #10363796 08/30/15 Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,077 Central Louisiana D Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana D Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,077 Central Louisiana Guess that evil dude resembles me... Ball C gave best results with the 65 Gameking, not as good as Varget with the 64 BSB. My best BSB load was slightly under an inch, not quite 3/4". I'm going to load a batch (Varget) and see how they work on critters. Will be waiting for others to report. For those wondering about a half inch Ranch Rifle, this one had extensive work by Accuracy Systems, Inc. Their full house make over was less expensive back when I had it done. This one beats their accuracy guarantee. I revamped the factory stock into the shape I wanted, painted it black. A great two stage trigger was part of that package. DF

Re: Nosler 64gr Bonded Dirtfarmer #10363830 08/30/15 Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 30,950 Colorado A antelope_sniper Campfire 'Bwana antelope_sniper Campfire 'Bwana A Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 30,950 Colorado Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer Guess that evil dude resembles me... Ball C gave best results with the 65 Gameking, not as good as Varget with the 64 BSB. My best BSB load was slightly under an inch, not quite 3/4". I'm going to load a batch (Varget) and see how they work on critters. Will be waiting for others to report. For those wondering about a half inch Ranch Rifle, this one had extensive work by Accuracy Systems, Inc. Their full house make over was less expensive back when I had it done. This one beats their accuracy guarantee. I revamped the factory stock into the shape I wanted, painted it black. A great two stage trigger was part of that package. DF Very cool. I look forward to your pictures of dead critters. You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it. You cannot over estimate the unimportance of nearly everything. John Maxwell

Re: Nosler 64gr Bonded Pappy348 #10363852 08/30/15 Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,077 Central Louisiana D Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana D Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,077 Central Louisiana Gotta kill some first... DF

Re: Nosler 64gr Bonded Pappy348 #10364436 08/30/15 Joined: Nov 2013 Posts: 28,751 West of the Blue Ridge Pappy348 OP Campfire Ranger OP Pappy348 Campfire Ranger Joined: Nov 2013 Posts: 28,751 West of the Blue Ridge Nosler lists CFE223 as the beauty queen for the BSB. http://www.nosler.com/s/223-Rem-64gr-Version-7-1.pdf I've got a pound I found while cruising for components one day. Was going to use it in my .308, but guess I'd better wait. What fresh Hell is this?

Re: Nosler 64gr Bonded Pappy348 #10364452 08/30/15 Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,077 Central Louisiana D Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana D Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,077 Central Louisiana Yep, tried that load and "beauty queen" loads from other sources. Varget beat them out by an impressive margin. I'm going Varget with that bullet in this gun. DF

Re: Nosler 64gr Bonded Dirtfarmer #10364734 08/30/15 Joined: Nov 2013 Posts: 28,751 West of the Blue Ridge Pappy348 OP Campfire Ranger OP Pappy348 Campfire Ranger Joined: Nov 2013 Posts: 28,751 West of the Blue Ridge Big dummy that I am, I managed to miss that the first time. All my ducks should be lined up in about a month. We'll see then what works in the S2. What fresh Hell is this?

Re: Nosler 64gr Bonded Pappy348 #10364858 08/30/15 Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 930 South Central Kansas 6 65X54 Campfire Regular 65X54 Campfire Regular 6 Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 930 South Central Kansas How much off the lands are you guys going with the BSB? I know in the rifles I've tried so far it's not difficult to get right up into the lands.

Re: Nosler 64gr Bonded 65X54 #10364876 08/30/15 Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 30,950 Colorado A antelope_sniper Campfire 'Bwana antelope_sniper Campfire 'Bwana A Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 30,950 Colorado Originally Posted by 65X54 How much off the lands are you guys going with the BSB? I know in the rifles I've tried so far it's not difficult to get right up into the lands. I've just been loading to AR magazine length. I've also tried CFE223, and was unimpressed with the groups. You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it. You cannot over estimate the unimportance of nearly everything. John Maxwell

Re: Nosler 64gr Bonded 65X54 #10364912 08/30/15 Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,077 Central Louisiana D Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana D Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,077 Central Louisiana Originally Posted by 65X54 How much off the lands are you guys going with the BSB? I know in the rifles I've tried so far it's not difficult to get right up into the lands. IIRC, loading to the cannelure is about right. I don't see that stubby little bullet being that COAL sensitive. DF

Re: Nosler 64gr Bonded Pappy348 #10364924 08/30/15 Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 930 South Central Kansas 6 65X54 Campfire Regular 65X54 Campfire Regular 6 Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 930 South Central Kansas That bullet is a challenge or it has been for me anyway. Out of the gate I tried it in a good Noveske barrel that has always shot anything well. Not this one though. Did find mag length stuck the bullet hard against lands.

Re: Nosler 64gr Bonded Pappy348 #10364934 08/30/15 Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 930 South Central Kansas 6 65X54 Campfire Regular 65X54 Campfire Regular 6 Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 930 South Central Kansas If memory serves at all, Ingwe found his best load with IMR-4895. That was in a 223 AI with probably an 18 inch or so twist though...

Re: Nosler 64gr Bonded 65X54 #10364962 08/30/15 Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 30,950 Colorado A antelope_sniper Campfire 'Bwana antelope_sniper Campfire 'Bwana A Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 30,950 Colorado Originally Posted by 65X54 That bullet is a challenge or it has been for me anyway. Out of the gate I tried it in a good Noveske barrel that has always shot anything well. Not this one though. Did find mag length stuck the bullet hard against lands. I'm shooting a Wylde chamber and I've had no issues with sticking it against the lands. You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it. You cannot over estimate the unimportance of nearly everything. John Maxwell

Re: Nosler 64gr Bonded 65X54 #10366208 08/31/15 Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,077 Central Louisiana D Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana D Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,077 Central Louisiana Originally Posted by 65X54 If memory serves at all, Ingwe found his best load with IMR-4895. That was in a 223 AI with probably an 18 inch or so twist though... I bet you meant 1:8 twist... H-4895 beat out both Varget and RL-15 in my .308. I may have to load up some H-4895 and IMR-4895 to shoot against the Varget load. DF

Re: Nosler 64gr Bonded Pappy348 #10366908 08/31/15 Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 930 South Central Kansas 6 65X54 Campfire Regular 65X54 Campfire Regular 6 Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 930 South Central Kansas I bet you meant 1:8 twist... No... Last edited by 65X54; 08/31/15.

Re: Nosler 64gr Bonded Pappy348 #10367272 08/31/15 Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,077 Central Louisiana D Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana D Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,077 Central Louisiana You were spoofing the poor Poobah... Shame, shame... But, he can dish it out, too... DF Last edited by Dirtfarmer; 08/31/15.

Re: Nosler 64gr Bonded Pappy348 #10367448 08/31/15 Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 930 South Central Kansas 6 65X54 Campfire Regular 65X54 Campfire Regular 6 Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 930 South Central Kansas What's became of Ingwe, I believe his absence has been taken advantage of on a few occasions.

Re: Nosler 64gr Bonded 65X54 #10367480 08/31/15 Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 30,950 Colorado A antelope_sniper Campfire 'Bwana antelope_sniper Campfire 'Bwana A Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 30,950 Colorado Originally Posted by 65X54 What's became of Ingwe, I believe his absence has been taken advantage of on a few occasions. It's Auguest, almost September. I imagine he is busy scouting for elk. He has to get really close in order to have a chance at killing one with his puny 7x57. You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it. You cannot over estimate the unimportance of nearly everything. John Maxwell

Re: Nosler 64gr Bonded 65X54 #10367482 08/31/15 Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Southwestern Montucky ingwe Campfire Oracle ingwe Campfire Oracle Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Southwestern Montucky I have been away on a Canadian fishing trip. I can see Ive been missed. Stunt shooter wannabes..... Sheesh..... "...the left considers you vermin, and they'll kill you given the chance..." Bristoe

Re: Nosler 64gr Bonded Pappy348 #10367988 08/31/15 Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,077 Central Louisiana D Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana D Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,077 Central Louisiana Yeah, when everyone is talking about you and you aren't responding, time to start checking the obits... DF

Re: Nosler 64gr Bonded Dirtfarmer #10368016 08/31/15 Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Southwestern Montucky ingwe Campfire Oracle ingwe Campfire Oracle Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Southwestern Montucky Dat was mean. "...the left considers you vermin, and they'll kill you given the chance..." Bristoe

Re: Nosler 64gr Bonded ingwe #10368054 08/31/15 Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,077 Central Louisiana D Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana D Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,077 Central Louisiana Originally Posted by ingwe Dat was mean. Shows concern... DF

Re: Nosler 64gr Bonded ingwe #10368224 08/31/15 Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 6,755 Atlanta D doubletap Campfire Tracker doubletap Campfire Tracker D Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 6,755 Atlanta Originally Posted by ingwe I have been away on a Canadian fishing trip. I can see Ive been missed. Stunt shooter wannabes..... Sheesh..... Where's the fish pictures? He who joyfully marches in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would suffice. - Albert Einstein

Re: Nosler 64gr Bonded doubletap #10370164 08/31/15 Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Southwestern Montucky ingwe Campfire Oracle ingwe Campfire Oracle Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Southwestern Montucky freshwater forum "...the left considers you vermin, and they'll kill you given the chance..." Bristoe

Re: Nosler 64gr Bonded Dirtfarmer #10432394 09/14/15 Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 2,285 North Idaho B BigNate Campfire Regular BigNate Campfire Regular B Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 2,285 North Idaho Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer The 60 NPT works well in my .223. In my 8 twist .22-250 Mohawk/Shilen, I get great groups with 75 Amax and VLD's. That gun just doesn't like the 64 BSB, I can't find a load that will shoot less than 2" at a hundred, the other mentioned bullets shoot half inch. Still testing. I want to try the 64 BSB in my 7 twist .22-204. It loves the 75 Amax, VLD and SSII. I may try the BSB in my custom .223 Ranch Rifle which shoots the 65 Gameking pretty well. That would be a good comparison. I wouldn't bet the farm 64 BSB's will out shoot 65 Gamekings. DF Because this bullet is so much shorter you may be experiencing some over-rotation. Slowing it down defeats the purpose but if groups get better.... I've only had time to try these in a 1:8 AR. My .22-250 is a slower twist. “You never need fear a man, no matter what his size. When danger threatens, call on me, and I will equalize.” Samuel Colt. �Common sense is genius dressed up in work clothes.� - Ralph Waldo Emerson