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They look ancient but deployed 50. Do we know where each one is and what kind of threat they pose? And to whom or what?
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They are diesel/electric, knock-offs of a Russian/Chinese design. According to Wiki, only about 20 of them are large subs ~1800 tons each. The rest are much smaller, 300 tons, and a few midget subs.
On battery they will be very quiet, and could be dangerous to shipping if they actually decide to start shooting.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_People's_Navy
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4 former Soviet Whiskey Class
22 Former Chinese Romeo class
a few NorK make Romeo class subs.
The remaining are midget subs.
The Whiskey class is a 1940's design based on German WWII sub technology. The last one rolled off the assembly line in 1958. A few were converted to fire the SSN-3 missles. Depending on the variant they could carry 1-4 missles, but they have to surface to fire them.
The Romeo class is a 1950's improvement of the Whiskey class. The last Soviet one rolled of the assembly line in 1961.
The Chinese variants are typically consider superior to the Soviets one's due to upgraded electronic etc, however they are still considered obsolete.
Western navies have a name for these subs. They are called TARGETS.
If we have any kind of a SOSUS network in the area, or even a hand full of LA's in the area, yea, we know where they are and could put everyone of them on the bottom within 24 hours.
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The dirty rotten bassages stole the plans from the CS of A ![[Linked Image]](http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/6mm250/hunley3.gif) Mike
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The dirty rotten bassages stole the plans from the CS of A Mike ^^^^This is toooo funny^^^^
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4 former Soviet Whiskey Class
22 Former Chinese Romeo class
a few NorK make Romeo class subs.
The remaining are midget subs.
The Whiskey class is a 1940's design based on German WWII sub technology. The last one rolled off the assembly line in 1958. A few were converted to fire the SSN-3 missles. Depending on the variant they could carry 1-4 missles, but they have to surface to fire them.
The Romeo class is a 1950's improvement of the Whiskey class. The last Soviet one rolled of the assembly line in 1961.
The Chinese variants are typically consider superior to the Soviets one's due to upgraded electronic etc, however they are still considered obsolete.
Western navies have a name for these subs. They are called TARGETS.
If we have any kind of a SOSUS network in the area, or even a hand full of LA's in the area, yea, we know where they are and could put everyone of them on the bottom within 24 hours. The bottom (NO pun intended) line... 
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The dirty rotten bassages stole the plans from the CS of A Mike You might be giving the Norks ideas...  U.S. Sub sonarman: "Sonar to skipper, I just heard two guys fart and someone say in Korean, 'Dear Leader does not approve' " Skipper: "Ready one tor...wait, save the fish, we'll just drive past them quickly and crush them with our wake"
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I suspect that our sub boys know where every one of them is.
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The only threat they pose is to some other third-rate navy or shipping vessels that are pretty much running blind. If push comes to shove they will become underwater reefs very quickly.
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My only comment is....LOL.....
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The only threat they pose ... Gotta believe they are mostly a threat to themselves...
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This is just rumor,but I heard that the best way to sink a North Korean sub is,put it in water! memtb
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Looks like the green paint might be suspect..(right click, view image) ![[Linked Image]](http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/53a090f0eab8eac6710bc4ff/north-korea-is-in-the-process-of-developing-a-fleet-of-nuclear-missile-capable-submarines.jpg)
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Ancient sino/soviet (cnink/ruski) garbage manned by gooks with zero naval traditions and little training. Next question...
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Looks like the green paint might be suspect..(right click, view image) That rust would not inspire confidence, nor the small bit of mooring line left attached. Not a sub guy, but it seems that getting a sub to sink is easy, getting it back up might be tricky.
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... nor the small bit of mooring line left attached.
Not a sub guy, but it seems that getting a sub to sink is easy, getting it back up might be tricky.
That look like a piece of a mop string to me. They had to clean the deck before the Insane One came up for the photo-op. Ed
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I suspect that our sub boys know where every one of them is. Certainly the South Koreans have excellent sub-detection technology (probably on par with the US as we supply most of their defense needs). Yet, five years ago, a North Korean sub sank a South Korean naval vessel (see: http://www.bbc.com/news/10129703 ). Diesel-electric subs are very quiet (even the older ones) and would most likely pose a real threat to any vessels in the area, unless the vessels constantly used active (pinging) detection.
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Not a sub guy, but it seems that getting a sub to sink is easy, getting it back up might be tricky.
Not a problem as long as the Norks have access to a [b][color:#3333FF]$#!%load of ping pong balls...[/color][/b]
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The only threat they pose is to some other third-rate navy or shipping vessels that are pretty much running blind. If push comes to shove they will become underwater reefs very quickly. You might be a bit optimistic. Even old subs can be deadly; just like an elderly cobra, it's venom still works.
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