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Many of the response to this thread were just...WOW!
George, RWE, Werner, Eyeball, JGRaider...
Just...WOW!
They are the ones who others referenced as Christians who drive others away.
It ain't what you don't know that makes you an idiot...it's what you know for certain, that just ain't so...
Most people don't want to believe the truth~they want the truth to be what they believe.
Stupidity has no average...
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Compare "christians" while we are at it.
Find a man here who would, without hesitation, question the honesty of Mickey Coleman (God rest him), who was a friend to all and a devout Christian.
Find a man here who would, without hesitation, trust the honesty/word of safariman, who claims to be a friend to all and a devout Christian.
If that doesn't point out the difference, then I'm not sure what would/will.
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
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I was brought up in and indoctrinated in religion, but I have a hard time buying into the whole package. Yeah there are words of wisdom to live by, then again those ideas aren't monopolized by the religious either.
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An honest man needs nor is defined by religion or not; he is simply honest regardless of faith or lack thereof.
Sean, Let me skip ahead to reply to your post. The question wasn't about general honesty..it was about honesty regarding faith vis-a-vis the facts. In fact, you make a good point against many Christian claims that morality and ethics cannot exist apart from their version of religion/God. Faith needs not facts, and facts need not faith. They are not mutually exclusive, nor are they mutually required. An honest person is honest; one that is not, will not be regardless of faith or the lack thereof. So if a person tries to claim they have proof of their 'faith' (which is patently dishonest) you would say they are an all around disingenuous person? No. I've no more right/privilege to judge the "proof" of their faith than they do mine or anyone else's. Therein lies the rub, does it not? Judge by the actions and deeds, not the claims. We judge all kinds of claims made everyday. There is no reason not to use your reason to evaluate the validity of a claim just because some says it is based on "Faith".
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
You cannot over estimate the unimportance of nearly everything. John Maxwell
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Many of the response to this thread were just...WOW!
George, RWE, Werner, Eyeball, JGRaider...
Just...WOW!
They are the ones who others referenced as Christians who drive others away. You misjudge RWE, by a long shot.
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
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Lying is saying we are no more than animals.
As He said, we would perform miracles, if you dont believe so, let a dog operate on you. We are neither plant, nor mineral, so that leaves animal. We have big brains and opposable thumbs, that differentiates us from the rest of the animals, but the truth remains, we are animals. The difference between us and other animals is that we have an air of self-importance/superiority and entitlement. Why, I have NO idea. Ever been around a house cat? They are the experts on self-importance/superiority and entitlement. 
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Lying is saying we are no more than animals.
As He said, we would perform miracles, if you dont believe so, let a dog operate on you. We are neither plant, nor mineral, so that leaves animal. We have big brains and opposable thumbs, that differentiates us from the rest of the animals, but the truth remains, we are animals. The difference between us and other animals is that we have an air of self-importance/superiority and entitlement. Why, I have NO idea. Ever been around a house cat? They are the experts on self-importance/superiority and entitlement. It's amazing how quickly a good dog fixes both problems.
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
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I'd put my money on everyone being wrong. It's not just Christians vs Atheists with one being the winner, its thousands of different ideas and beliefs all trying to figure it out. I'm thinking no one's done it yet, and maybe never will.
Now THAT is a great thought. I've often discussed with my buddy how it's so interesting that modern Christians assert that they have the truth with such authority. Even through the relatively short and narrow window of history that Christianity has occupied there have been (and still are) great and varied opinions and interpretations of nearly every theological aspect by many pious, intelligent well-meaning men. If there is little consensus amongst the adherents of 'Christianity' (in the broad sense) after 2000 yrs, why are so many saying believe this or burn? One would think this would lead to a lot more humility among believers and a conviction to truly 'not judge' and merely live a life of plank self-removal... That is also damning evidence against a 'inspired and infallible' view of scripture. If that were true, then god is the Worst. Editor. Ever.
It ain't what you don't know that makes you an idiot...it's what you know for certain, that just ain't so...
Most people don't want to believe the truth~they want the truth to be what they believe.
Stupidity has no average...
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Lying is saying we are no more than animals.
As He said, we would perform miracles, if you dont believe so, let a dog operate on you. We are neither plant, nor mineral, so that leaves animal. We have big brains and opposable thumbs, that differentiates us from the rest of the animals, but the truth remains, we are animals. The difference between us and other animals is that we have an air of self-importance/superiority and entitlement. Why, I have NO idea. Ever been around a house cat? They are the experts on self-importance/superiority and entitlement. Scott, when did you gain all your experience with Cat Houses?
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
You cannot over estimate the unimportance of nearly everything. John Maxwell
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I'd put my money on everyone being wrong. It's not just Christians vs Atheists with one being the winner, its thousands of different ideas and beliefs all trying to figure it out. I'm thinking no one's done it yet, and maybe never will.
Now THAT is a great thought. I've often discussed with my buddy how it's so interesting that modern Christians assert that they have the truth with such authority. Even through the relatively short and narrow window of history that Christianity has occupied there have been (and still are) great and varied opinions and interpretations of nearly every theological aspect by many pious, intelligent well-meaning men. If there is little consensus amongst the adherents of 'Christianity' (in the broad sense) after 2000 yrs, why are so many saying believe this or burn? One would think this would lead to a lot more humility among believers and a conviction to truly 'not judge' and merely live a life of plank self-removal... That is also damning evidence against a 'inspired and infallible' view of scripture. If that were true, then god is the Worst. Editor. Ever. Zealots, whether Christian, Jew, Muslim, Atheist, or Zoroastrian, or anything in between, believe they have a monopoly on "truth". The bad among them seek to denigrate, defile, shame, and marginalize anyone else. The worst among them can, have, and will, seek to kill anyone other than "true believers", and history proves that true. "Truth" is beholden to no monopoly, and neither is honesty.
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
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Lying is saying we are no more than animals.
As He said, we would perform miracles, if you dont believe so, let a dog operate on you. We are neither plant, nor mineral, so that leaves animal. We have big brains and opposable thumbs, that differentiates us from the rest of the animals, but the truth remains, we are animals. The difference between us and other animals is that we have an air of self-importance/superiority and entitlement. Why, I have NO idea. Ever been around a house cat? They are the experts on self-importance/superiority and entitlement. Scott, when did you gain all your experience with Cat Houses? He was in the Navy.
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
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Lying is saying we are no more than animals.
As He said, we would perform miracles, if you dont believe so, let a dog operate on you. We are neither plant, nor mineral, so that leaves animal. We have big brains and opposable thumbs, that differentiates us from the rest of the animals, but the truth remains, we are animals. The difference between us and other animals is that we have an air of self-importance/superiority and entitlement. Why, I have NO idea. Ok, That one earned you a ten point score.  Ever been around a house cat? They are the experts on self-importance/superiority and entitlement. Scott, when did you gain all your experience with Cat Houses?
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Oh, I do. It's cuzz some book told you that you're important and special, why, because you need that self affirmation.
I have no doubt that you, Eyeball, are indeed SPECIAL. Yep. Short bus to community college special. Hard to imagine he is a real doctor as his lack of intelligence is clear. I have never known a true dumbazz doctor. Disagree yes, dumbazz no.
Conduct is the best proof of character.
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An honest man needs nor is defined by religion or not; he is simply honest regardless of faith or lack thereof.
Agreed. I would be willing to bet Mr. Antelope_Sniper is a honourable and honest man. I don't always agree with him but he has shown himself to be a gentleman in my book. I don't think he is a Christian.
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Meniere's Sucks Big Time!!!
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An honest man needs nor is defined by religion or not; he is simply honest regardless of faith or lack thereof.
Honestly is relative. There is no shortage of hypocrites, be they Aetheists or Christians or Buddists or booger eaters. Mendacity is a common malady among our species - some just do it better, or worse, than others. Others still, they justify it for cause or reason. Honesty has nothing to do with religion but I always get a kick out of the so-called intellectual atheist argument that religion dogma cannot be proved. Neither can it be proved that there is no higher power or being. Yet they radical atheist will argue until he or she is blue in the face that his anti-religion religion is superior to those with faith in a higher authority. That's normally where I just lulz at the atheist and grab some popcorn and sit back and watch the show. Doing right, doing good ... it's not about religion. Encouraging others to do the same, turning the other cheek, having faith in an unseen guiding entity ... that IS about religion. In today's world it is much tougher to be one than the other. I find most atheists to be cowards in real life. Most, not all. I know a few. Atheists, especially the many radicals who practice that particular religion out there these days ... they feel intellectually superior to Christians, and the militant atheists want war against the Christians ... but they are terrified to speak out against Islam. Is that honesty within the atheists? Of course not ... it is the epitome of mendacity.
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Many of the response to this thread were just...WOW!
George, RWE, Werner, Eyeball, JGRaider...
Just...WOW!
They are the ones who others referenced as Christians who drive others away. You misjudge RWE, by a long shot. Nope. Not 'judging' him. Just his Bullschit posts made here on this thread. Perhaps he didn't express himself or his thoughts accurately?
It ain't what you don't know that makes you an idiot...it's what you know for certain, that just ain't so...
Most people don't want to believe the truth~they want the truth to be what they believe.
Stupidity has no average...
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An honest man needs nor is defined by religion or not; he is simply honest regardless of faith or lack thereof.
Honestly is relative. There is no shortage of hypocrites, be they Aetheists or Christians or Buddists or booger eaters. Mendacity is a common malady among our species - some just do it better, or worse, than others. Others still, they justify it for cause or reason. Honesty has nothing to do with religion but I always get a kick out of the so-called intellectual atheist argument that religion dogma cannot be proved. Neither can it be proved that there is no higher power or being. Yet they radical atheist will argue until he or she is blue in the face that his anti-religion religion is superior to those with faith in a higher authority. That's normally where I just lulz at the atheist and grab some popcorn and sit back and watch the show. Doing right, doing good ... it's not about religion. Encouraging others to do the same, turning the other cheek, having faith in an unseen guiding entity ... that IS about religion. In today's world it is much tougher to be one than the other. I find most atheists to be cowards in real life. Most, not all. I know a few. Atheists, especially the many radicals who practice that particular religion out there these days ... they feel intellectually superior to Christians, and the militant atheists want war against the Christians ... but they are terrified to speak out against Islam. Is that honesty within the atheists? Of course not ... it is the epitome of mendacity. Honesty is not relative. Either it is true, or it is not. One is honest, or they are not. You toss red herrings to bait the discussion away from truth, and from honesty, and that in and of itself is telling.
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
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Words are way overrated trying to prove or disprove God.
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Many of the response to this thread were just...WOW!
George, RWE, Werner, Eyeball, JGRaider...
Just...WOW!
They are the ones who others referenced as Christians who drive others away. You misjudge RWE, by a long shot. Nope. Not 'judging' him. Just his Bullschit posts made here on this thread. Perhaps he didn't express himself or his thoughts accurately? He's a sarcastic bastard with a wicked dry sense of humor and a sharp wit, but he is FAR from dishonest and very far from the type of "christian" you make him out to be.
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
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Words are way overrated trying to prove or disprove God.
Kent That may be the most truthful statement of this whole damned thread (and many - possibly any - other).
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
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