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Wow...

That post was like looking at a field of scarecrows...

I suspect that is the case. It's possible he has not thought some of his positions all the way through, and if he had, he would be able to express himself is a more positive light.

Thank you Sir for the kind words.

You obviously know little of the animal kingdom. I guess you've never heard of the alpha and omega order of nature.

If one believes in intelligent design let's say. Then we evolved from apes or [bleep] or whatever ... lizards, who cares.

We evolved, we learned to reason, but how? It wasn't strictly about eating more protein and enlarging our brains.

We evolved and learned to reason by developing a social pecking order. We learned to recognize members of our evolutionary species according to their individual talents. Some made fire, some hunted, some had intellectual thoughts about stars and the sky. Some learned to communicate and they were probably the first lying politicians.

If you've ever observed a pack of sled dogs for instance ... believe me, there is a pecking order and some believe they are superior to others. I've seen the same traits among chickens, cows, pigs and horses.

So don't kid yourself into believing we are unique as a species when it comes to being haughty and holier than thou.

Ask a sheep if a wolf believes it is superior to the sheep. Ask the wolf the same question.

Might making right does not honesty make.

I'm betting the sheep doesn't think that 'Gee, I believe in Santa Claus, so regardless of the bad wolf, I'm getting a grand reward after the wolf eats me.'

Sean,

I would only say he is dishonest if he tries to tell me his faith is based on facts. He may be be an honest person otherwise (although someone stated that a person is either honest or dishonest religion notwithstanding...now who was that?)

Perhaps you misinterpreted my lumping of him in with the others mentioned. That was not to intimate that he was of the same character as the others, only that his posts were of the same quality (and only in regards to this thread).

I don't know any here personally so I can only make inferences from their posts. In that vein, there are few, if any, that deserve to be lumped in with Eyeball, that's for damn sure.

So, no...I wasn't implying he was of the same moral character as any others in that list.

He may not care to espouse his thoughts here, either. I've had MANY conversations with RWE. He's far more than y'all give him credit or take him for. He's thought through it all, many times over; but I've never once known him to claim he has all the answers.

Ahhhhhhhhhh ... here we go. They vaguely snippy retort from the self-described intellectually superior atheist who casts all Christians into the ignorant and dishonest category.

Okay, I'm ready. How do you wish to do this? Because your anti-Christian (sic and apropos) argument, up until now, has been boringly predictable.

Yep, especially the "truths" that our rights and independence were based on.....

One thing is certain, the wishing in one hand dictum gets no argument from me.

We're [bleep]...good thing we have the semantics to entertain as the ship sinks.

I have no idea what you're getting at or why, frankly. Religion and honesty are often mutually exclusive; if not always so. Faith and honesty have nothing in common as one can have one without the other, or both, or neither.

And I'm betting you can't prove that contention.

You have know way of knowing what that sheep or wolf thinks - but thank you for taking the bait.

So far this topic has been mostly debated in a sane and intelligent manor. Please lets not get into a name calling and pissing match.

4ager, go back and read RWE's posts on this thread. Read them carefully, and then you will understand.

As a stated in the "Jesus Picture" thread, I have no reason to doubt the mans character, but some of his posts on this thread were a little wonky.

Though I have failed a time or two, I do try to be honest but faith, as in the Christian faith, cannot be argued on an Internet forum when "your side" doesn't want to hear anyway. It appears that you've chosen whatever world view you have necessitating denial of a faith that counters it.

The Catch-22 with the Cnristian faith is, if you have it, it is confirmed in you literally by God's Spirit; conversely, by denying or rejecting the Gospel (orthodox Christianity), you become spiritually blind to it and cannot accept it or discern it. So if you won't, don't believe, you can't believe. How then? By earnestly seeking--God draws near to those who search for Him. Christ does not kick the door to your heart down and come in; it is said, "the lock to your heart's door is on the inside."

Assuming for a second or two that my statement above is correct, consider your position-- by your rejection, you risk an eternity of separation from God, and won't even know it (until too late!) affirming yourself in denial. If you are really intellectually honest, you will have to give pause to that thought, do some more studying, research, and questioning.

I'm always open to PMs about this if you are truly open to it because of its importance (an understatement if there ever was one) which is why I posted this, but can carry it no further in this thread.

'Evening gents. 🌅

We can actually establish much about their possible range of thoughts by studying the size and structure of their brains. So we may know more on this subject then you think.

I don't have to read them; I know the man. This thread is an abortion from the get go, and he's simply casting logs on the fire. I can't blame him.

Really? Debating who is more honest in generalities between one faith and another? You might as well stand there and ask a hooker to measure the respective peckers for all the good it will do.

Think about it.

You should see how they distort each others denominational beliefs.

I hardly ever reply to these type threads any more cause its usually pointless. All I have to say is honesty is more of a human condition and is very individual. I know just as many Christians that are full of crappie as non believers. But many of the Christians that I know that are really up right before God weren't that way before they became Christians but the ones that are just like every body else were the same before they became christians. I changed a lot,,, then life and bad deeds of people around me made me see that most people aren't worth much and my mercy and compassion tank is now almost bone dry. I am trying to turn that around and not alow that to carry over to everybody. But being less trusting has served me well in the past few years.

I don't really know where I'm going with this, just kinda thinking out loud. I guess I'm just saying I have seen Christianity not change some people and I've seen a huge change in others including myself only to go back and forth with old struggles but never completely turning back to my old ways. As for the PROOF, I don't need it but I got it. When your in a lot of pain and someone prays for you in the name of Jesus and the pain leaves,,, we'll that's proof enuff for me. Nobody can convince me otherwise. A man with an experience is never at the mercy of a man with an argument. Just sayin, but believe whatever you want I'm not the Holy Spirit jr. or the barney fife or heaven everybody is entitled to live as they see fit. I don't throw rocks cause I live in a glass house. I can't blame someone for believing different than me when they have had a completely different experience. Sorry if some words are not right, auto correct sux and I'm to sleepy to check it. Good night all.

Come on, Sean..

I'm not trying to get at anything. And this thread was never about general honesty among or between religious and non-religious people.

A simple question was asked...is it more honest to affirm that there is no factual evidence for a god or to assert that there is to back up your beliefs.

Pure and simple. Anyone who read more into it than that is too sensitive...


And, yes, I agree with you that honesty has nothing to do with religion or lack thereof (not inherently, anyway).