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I don't know if the Cray super-computers are still with us or not. but, thanks to the high Priests at NASA providing us with a global view of our Earth, we can see we're trapped in a terrarium of sorts.

I don't know if we're changing the climate or not. but, some say the weight (density) of the mega-cities are having an influence on the tectonic plates and their pressure on the magma. I don't know.

it's not inconceivable that all the automobile exhausts, and industrial outputs globally are having an impact. just how much of an impact I have no clue. but I'm not blind either.


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How much of that exhaust is blocking the sun's energy from reaching the earth and actually reducing the amount of warming that we'd have without it?


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Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
Here's an easy way to visualize it. You have a 10 gal block of ice floating in the sea. 9 gal of it are below the surface and 1 gal is above. When the block melts, it becomes more dense and the 10 gal of ice is now the size of 9 gal of sea water - which exactly fills the hole in the water made by the block of ice.

That was my mistake. The 10 gal block of ice (which is 9 gal of water when thawed) won't displace 9 gallons of sea water. It would displace as much sea water as weighs the same as 9 gal of fresh water.

Sea water is about 2% denser than fresh water. So your 10 gallon ice would displace 8.82 gallons of seawater. When it thaws, it would mix with the 9 gallons of seawater to make 18 gallons.

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Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
How much of that exhaust is blocking the sun's energy from reaching the earth and actually reducing the amount of warming that we'd have without it?


there's some counter-balancing impacts going on, but I don't even know if the atmospheric chemists can successfully model it all or not. it's doubtful that they can, but they can provide important insights.

(did you catch the sales pitch for more research is needed)?

I can't believe all the emissions doesn't have some degree of impact. and then add the random, chaotic, and unscheduled releases of gases from volcanoes and the plot thickens. It thickens even more with the annual behavior of the sun.

personally I believe we have created a witches brew of sorts with all the chemical that post-modern humans are releasing into the atmosphere. but it all might counter-balance each other. I do not know.


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The big issue is how much money someone can make by convincing people that it's harmful.


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Originally Posted by Calhoun

Actually I'm wrong and Steelhead is right (no shocker there). I knew I was missing something.

A freshwater iceberg will displace the equivalent mass of seawater when floating - but when the iceberg melts the volume of the water in the iceberg is added to the volume of the seawater - so it ends up in a net sea level rise.

Mass versus mass for displacement with solid masses and water, but volume plus volume for water added to water. Since seawater is denser than fresh water, the iceberg displaces less seawater than equivalent volumes of freshwater and seawater would make up.

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Originally Posted by Reloder28
In the beginning, God set the limits of the waters so they would not transgress their boundaries. Don't reckon that'll change until He decides different.


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Water is most dense at 4*C (39.2*F).

Density decreases at temps warmer than 4C and at temps colder than 4C.


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Originally Posted by ironbender
Water is most dense at 4*C (39.2*F).

Density decreases at temps warmer than 4C and at temps colder than 4C.


How does salt effect that? I know salt water freezes at a lower temperature, and I believe it boils at a higher temperature.


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Good question. Had to go to Google. wink

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Pure water freezes at 0 °C and boils at 100 °C (212 °F) under normal pressure conditions. When salt is added, the freezing point is lowered and the boiling point is raised. The addition of salt also lowers the temperature of maximum density below that of pure water (4 °C [39.2 °F]). The temperature of maximum density decreases faster than the freezing point as salt is added.

http://www.britannica.com/science/seawater


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Just as water doesn't conduct electricity.


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Sea level rise over the period of record has virtually nothing to do with melting ice on land surfaces. The melting and freezing cycle of sea ice is a net zero calculation in this context.

Ocean water temperatures have risen over the last century or so and when you warm water it expands. That is the cause of about 90% of sea level rise.

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Originally Posted by ironbender
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your son and daughter should adapt fine


you and I are F'ed, unless we drink a whole lot more beer and increase our flotation capabilities! whistle


I'm pretty certain when we sing our anthem and mention the land of the free, the original intent didn't mean cell phones, food stamps and birth control.
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Well....if that's what we must do.


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Originally Posted by Steelhead
Just as water doesn't conduct electricity.

Now that one I already knew.. though it's better to keep the uninformed alive by saying that "pure" water doesn't conduct electricity. Any water found outside of a laboratory is going to conduct electricity quite well.


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We should ask the "scientist" who are advocating for global warming how much the sea levels are going to rise each year for the next 100 years. They should be able to give us that info and it will be correct because global warming is settled science isn't it?



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They don't know. History is a definitive record, forecasts are speculation. Forecasts from NOAH and USGS for my back yard over the next 100 years range from 0-6'. The rise since they began paying attention (over 100 years) has averaged 1.8 mm/year...in my back yard. Tampa is a bit higher at 2.0 mm/yr but it is thought that subsidence is at play to some degree. Our single-wides are not as heavy as their concrete skyline?

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I just wish it would hurry up (I'm not getting any younger) and get here (the rising sea levels). Saw a map that predicted most of La. would be underwater and it was very likely I would have some oceanfront property.

Come on global warming!


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There will be some bodacious snapper fishing amongst the high rise reefs in south Floriduh.


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