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. 8 He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. 9 They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord
This shows believers must obey God Just sounds like one big threat to me.
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Mark 16:15-16English Standard Version (ESV)
15 And he said to them, “Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation. 16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned
This shows why believers tell others about the word. It is a command from God that we do so. It is part of obeying Him. So if you are not Baptized, you are not saved? How about babies that die before they are Baptized? Didn't they go to Purgatory for about 2000 years before the Catholic Church changed it's mind?
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How much you figure those Shephards got paid to scratch this stuff on rocks and haul them around in an effort to save your worthless, sorry ass, salty? They were only doing it for themselves, the same way you use it to make yourself feel superior when it's obvious it's a sham. You got me. Shams make me feel superior. 
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time by the blood of patriots and tyrants.
If being stupid allows me to believe in Him, I'd wish to be a retard. Eisenhower and G Washington should be good company.
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All it shows is that someone wrote that down a long time ago. Nothing more. It shows you havent wanted everlasting life enough to ask for it. But Lotts wife looked back and was turned into a pillar of salt, salty. Sure and then Lott the only "righteous man" in Sodom, who offered up his virgin daughters to be gang rapped, then after his wife was out of the picture screwed and knocked up both of them himself, then had the audacity to blame his lechery on his daughters.  So Lott is "righteous", but all his wife did was look back, and she deserves to be punished? How is this consistent with a "moral" god?
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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Hey Antelope,
Your interest in Theology is off the chart, especially for a nonbeliever, IMHO. I'm not kickin ya, not at all. It is just an observation. I am just wondering why a nonbeliever would devote so much time and effort to the subject? Why so much fascination, or interest, for a team that you don't want to be part of?
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The Catholic church is not His church. Re-read above. His church is not headed by a mortal. His church is founded on the rock- truth- unadulterated by men.
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time by the blood of patriots and tyrants.
If being stupid allows me to believe in Him, I'd wish to be a retard. Eisenhower and G Washington should be good company.
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Mojo dangled some bait, and antelope sniper has completely swallowed it.
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All it shows is that someone wrote that down a long time ago. Nothing more. It shows you havent wanted everlasting life enough to ask for it. But Lotts wife looked back and was turned into a pillar of salt, salty. Sure and then Lott the only "righteous man" in Sodom, who offered up his virgin daughters to be gang rapped, then after his wife was out of the picture screwed and knocked up both of them himself, then had the audacity to blame his lechery on his daughters. So Lott is "righteous", but all his wife did was look back, and she deserves to be punished? How is this consistent with a "moral" god? Judge not, least ye be judged.
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time by the blood of patriots and tyrants.
If being stupid allows me to believe in Him, I'd wish to be a retard. Eisenhower and G Washington should be good company.
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There is clearly somewhat of a regional divide among us. I can't think of a sportsman that I personally know that is not a Christian. Next week, a BUNCH of us will share in a dove hunt where we will have a group prayer before the event. Anytime we are together, we pray before we eat. My Friends of NRA committee prays after each meeting, and we have a prayer before our banquet. I guess I live in a sheltered world here in the Bible Belt? The preponderance of nonbelievers here on the Fire is somewhat surprising for a guy in rural N.C. Colorado actually has one of, if not the, highest concentrations of non-believers in the county. But we are also the second most educated state. Heck we have about everything here, Christians, Atheist, Muslims, Hindu's, Buddhist, Shinto's, Sikhs, Heck I think we even have a temple to Jainism in the area. Yea, if you get out a little bit, you will see there is a lot more in the world then just Christianity.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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What amazed me is there is over 30,000 Christian sects, but you think you know the One True Christianity.
A Christian is a Christian when they except Christ as their personal Saviour. Church as in today’s meaning, a sect or a denomination, does not make or break a Christian. There are even Christians who do not follow or belong to any sect or denomination, I am one of them. Going to a church does not make one a Christian, furthermore most if not all churches have many members Christ may not recognize and His. Not going to a church does not mean you are not a Christian. I do not believe there is one true sect or a denomination. I think there are different sects or a denominations because different people feel called or drawn to different styles of worship. I would attend no church who preached their way was the only way. But then I am more of a tad bit of a cantankerous old fart.  Well, if you would not attend any church who preaches their is the only way, that sure makes thinks a lot easier for you. It probably eliminates about 3/4 of the denominations for you!
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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Well, being educated in our schools rather explains it.
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time by the blood of patriots and tyrants.
If being stupid allows me to believe in Him, I'd wish to be a retard. Eisenhower and G Washington should be good company.
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Hey Antelope,
Your interest in Theology is off the chart, especially for a nonbeliever, IMHO. I'm not kickin ya, not at all. It is just an observation. I am just wondering why a nonbeliever would devote so much time and effort to the subject? Why so much fascination, or interest, for a team that you don't want to be part of? Isn't it the biggest question, and perhaps the most fun question to debate?
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
You cannot over estimate the unimportance of nearly everything. John Maxwell
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All it shows is that someone wrote that down a long time ago. Nothing more. It shows you havent wanted everlasting life enough to ask for it. But Lotts wife looked back and was turned into a pillar of salt, salty. Sure and then Lott the only "righteous man" in Sodom, who offered up his virgin daughters to be gang rapped, then after his wife was out of the picture screwed and knocked up both of them himself, then had the audacity to blame his lechery on his daughters. So Lott is "righteous", but all his wife did was look back, and she deserves to be punished? How is this consistent with a "moral" god? Judge not, least ye be judged. If you can't see what's wrong with this picture, your morals are broken. But, we already knew that.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
You cannot over estimate the unimportance of nearly everything. John Maxwell
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Hey Antelope,
Your interest in Theology is off the chart, especially for a nonbeliever, IMHO. I'm not kickin ya, not at all. It is just an observation. I am just wondering why a nonbeliever would devote so much time and effort to the subject? Why so much fascination, or interest, for a team that you don't want to be particularly of? Maybe AS is Satan.  At least he knows the Christian Bible as well as Satan would if Satan existed.
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Hey Antelope,
Your interest in Theology is off the chart, especially for a nonbeliever, IMHO. I'm not kickin ya, not at all. It is just an observation. I am just wondering why a nonbeliever would devote so much time and effort to the subject? Why so much fascination, or interest, for a team that you don't want to be part of? Isn't it the biggest question, and perhaps the most fun question to debate? Honestly..... Not really. No debate needed here. I would rather focus on my faith than debate it. I am on board, grateful for it, and working to keep it that way!
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Hey Antelope,
Your interest in Theology is off the chart, especially for a nonbeliever, IMHO. I'm not kickin ya, not at all. It is just an observation. I am just wondering why a nonbeliever would devote so much time and effort to the subject? Why so much fascination, or interest, for a team that you don't want to be part of? Isn't it the biggest question, and perhaps the most fun question to debate? Honestly..... Not really. No debate needed here. I would rather focus on my faith than debate it. I am on board, grateful for it, and working to keep it that way! What do you care about more, Faith, or Truth?
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
You cannot over estimate the unimportance of nearly everything. John Maxwell
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All it shows is that someone wrote that down a long time ago. Nothing more. It shows you havent wanted everlasting life enough to ask for it. But Lotts wife looked back and was turned into a pillar of salt, salty. Sure and then Lott the only "righteous man" in Sodom, who offered up his virgin daughters to be gang rapped, then after his wife was out of the picture screwed and knocked up both of them himself, then had the audacity to blame his lechery on his daughters. So Lott is "righteous", but all his wife did was look back, and she deserves to be punished? How is this consistent with a "moral" god? Judge not, least ye be judged. If you can't see what's wrong with this picture, your morals are broken. But, we already knew that. You dont know chitt, though you believe what a 4th grade teacher told you about it.
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time by the blood of patriots and tyrants.
If being stupid allows me to believe in Him, I'd wish to be a retard. Eisenhower and G Washington should be good company.
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In 50 years you and your words will be as dust in the wind, yet His will be the cause of the wind.
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time by the blood of patriots and tyrants.
If being stupid allows me to believe in Him, I'd wish to be a retard. Eisenhower and G Washington should be good company.
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Hey Antelope,
Your interest in Theology is off the chart, especially for a nonbeliever, IMHO. I'm not kickin ya, not at all. It is just an observation. I am just wondering why a nonbeliever would devote so much time and effort to the subject? Why so much fascination, or interest, for a team that you don't want to be part of? Isn't it the biggest question, and perhaps the most fun question to debate? Honestly..... Not really. No debate needed here. I would rather focus on my faith than debate it. I am on board, grateful for it, and working to keep it that way! What do you care about more, Faith, or Truth? They are the same for me. You should know that by now.
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In 50 years you and your words will be as dust in the wind, yet His will be the cause of the wind. Nice assertion with no evidence, but that's all you really know how to do during these discussions.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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