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Now you are going in a direction that will really bring out the worst in Christians.

There is no way you can convince me that baptism is the only way you can make it to Heaven. I serve a loving god, one who will answer those who call on His Name. The soldier in the trench who make a plea to God is not damned to hell because he cannot stop the battle long enough to be baptised.

I will probably get smoked for this statement but I have been smoked before and lived so let it be.

Where did I claim to be the supreme anything?

All I claimed to be was more moral then the blatherings of your bronze age goat herders who think it's ok to bang your own daughters.

And Lot went up out of Zoar, and dwelt in the mountain, and his two daughters with him; for he feared to dwell in Zoar: and he dwelt in a cave, he and his two daughters. 31And the firstborn said unto the younger, Our father is old, and there is not a man in the earth to come in unto us after the manner of all the earth: 32Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father. 33And they made their father drink wine that night: and the firstborn went in, and lay with her father; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose. 34And it came to pass on the morrow, that the firstborn said unto the younger, Behold, I lay yesternight with my father: let us make him drink wine this night also; and go thou in, and lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father. 35And they made their father drink wine that night also: and the younger arose, and lay with him; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose. 36Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father. 37And the firstborn bare a son, and called his name Moab: the same is the father of the Moabites unto this day. 38And the younger, she also bare a son, and called his name Benammi: the same is the father of the children of Ammon unto this day.

Where in that passage exactly does Lott blame his daughters?

This is a prime example of dishonesty. Misrepresenting something for what I perceive as an addiction to debate.

They are the same for me. You should know that by now.

Yep, they are the same in my mind but that is a personal decision on my part.

In response to an AS comment, GB posted:


This is a prime example of dishonesty. Misrepresenting something for what I perceive as an addiction to debate.


Yep, his desire to discredit seems to override his scholarly ability.

He will read a passage and allow his desire to discredit or debate or ???? to enter and cause him to spew nonsense.

Someone posted that AS has quite a bit of Bible knowledge. Nope, that is not the case at all. He has an internet search engine but cannot make sense of what he reads.

Lot's case is very interesting. There is no doubt he did sinful acts but as he is mentioned in the NT as righteous, I would assume he repented and turned his life around.

King David is similar. He was guilty of murder and yet a man after God's own heart. How can that be explained if not for David's response of repentance and God's patient love and forgiveness?

In many ways, I resemble them both.

God is not bound by time. He could look at Lot and see his future and see that he would in the future turn from sin in his future. Maybe that is what happened. God can look at me and see my future.


He can also see the future for AS.

TF

In response to an AS comment, GB posted:


This is a prime example of dishonesty. Misrepresenting something for what I perceive as an addiction to debate.


Yep, his desire to discredit seems to override his scholarly ability.

He will read a passage and allow his desire to discredit or debate or ???? to enter and cause him to spew nonsense.

Someone posted that AS has quite a bit of Bible knowledge. Nope, that is not the case at all. He has an internet search engine but cannot make sense of what he reads.

Lot's case is very interesting. There is no doubt he did sinful acts but as he is mentioned in the NT as righteous, I would assume he repented and turned his life around.

King David is similar. He was guilty of murder and yet a man after God's own heart. How can that be explained if not for David's response of repentance and God's patient love and forgiveness?

In many ways, I resemble them both.

God is not bound by time. He could look at Lot and see his future and see that he would in the future turn from sin in his future. Maybe that is what happened. God can look at me and see my future.


He can also see the future for AS.

TF

I disagree. I think AS is very knowledgeable of the scriptures. He is knowingly misreprsenting them. I have found that the more aggressive athiests are less honest then others.

As is the case with the more aggressive religious. Lott committed an egregious sin with his daughters.

You read the bible from the lens of faith. I read it from the lens of reason.

THANK-YOU.

You admit it was an egregious sin. That differentiates you from the Christians who will not, because yours in the more honest position.

You read it from the lens that man created god. This is may be called many things...to call it reason, is your description. Others reason that it is not.

When the Bible gives accounts of the sin of its characters, that in no way is the same as condoning that sin.

In fairness, I think that even you and I can agree on that point.

Yea, and old Christian friend of mine suggested that as a great way to start a fight among the faithful.

This topic came up a while back. I was told I was wrong by someone who thinks he is a better Christian than the Apostle Paul. I still stand behind my statement and I will let God Judge me.

I believe every new Christian should be baptised, I was and I am glad I was. So it is not that I do not believe in Baptism, I just believe in a loving God.

Except when they are not.

Just because you pretend something is true, does not make it so.

The scriptures are actually split on the subject, with each side having passage they can use to support their position. It's one of those pesky 400+ contradictions.

In general, the less judgmental the Christian, the easier they are to get along with, and the less they are the "droids I am looking for".

But again, I believe they are. The change in me when I ask Christ into my heart is the proof I need. It is not something I can prove to someone else because they cannot see what happened to me. Heck, I cannot put it into words to even begin to tell you what happened let alone show you. It has to do with the root of faith and faith and proof are opposite sides or the scale.

Think about it for a moment. I know that might be difficult for you, but please try.

Lott was so drunk he couldn't recognize his own daughters, but he could still get it up?

I call BS. Or is it more likely that a primitive goat herder knocked up his daughters, and concocted a story about it to blame them?

And this was after he offered them up to a rape mob.