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If you can find a Rock river arms on sale, buy it. last year I got lucky and found a Rock river lar 15 on sale and I have never been sorry. With my favorite hand load it will shoot groups slightly over a quarter inch at 100 yards, shot a group a few weeks ago at 400 yards that measured just under 1 3/4 inch.

I had a RRA chromed lined barrel gun, it was a bit heavier than my friends 6720, the carrier was not staked, which I did, but it shot fine. I think overall they are reasonable guns. I guess I will say DD as well, their chromed barrels seem to be a bit off now, but its still a good gun, the new one I have has a 15 inch rail on it which gives it a "cab forward" design and steadier on off hand shots.

It's been a couple of weeks now but I believe I was told the chrome lined bbl and chamber is for longevity and ease of cleaning.

If I haven't forgotten all the information that they tried to provide me, longevity was explained as mostly pertaining to folks who use their AR's in "rapid fire mode", folks who shoot competition, 3 gun type stuff, or just like to run thru mags of ammo.

Ease of cleaning? My limited knowledge gained from places like here and some magazines and friends, and from what I believe the gentleman at the store (a competitive pistol shooter who tried the 3 gun game) was trying to get across to me had to do with the direct impingement guns and "dirty" gas getting back into the chamber area and also perhaps a smoother bore from the chrome plating? Perhaps it doesn't apply to piston guns, but I'm not looking to spend that kind of money.

If I knew more I wouldn't have posted here, I'd be out buying whichever AR I thought would work.

Thanks for the pointers folks,

Geno

You got some of it right

Rust and wet conditions with no ability to clean for days = plating

Smoother....no

Chrome is only as smooth as the steel it has been aplied to

I have a mix od chromed and plain ol 4140

My long range p-dog rifles are not plated

Understood. Based on what little I know about barrels, mostly learned from Harry McGowan, plating and stainless or exotic metals do little for accuracy,

A very fine rifling job creates a smooth and consistent interior finish. Internal forces in the steel also affect performance. Harry, mostly retired now, did button rifling. He told me that my mountain rifle with his pencil barrel would shoot to point of aim repeatedly just as well as any heavy barrel. (You couldn't prove it by me, but that's what he said.) Good steel seems to work best and there are stories about Civil War sharpshooting rifles that were amazingly accurate at distance by the standards of any era.

AR barrels serve different needs and I would not expect such quality from a short, mass-produced barrel. I expect that chrome-plated AR barrels do just fine for their role.

Thanks for that info, now I can make a more informed decision.

I may retire to a wetter part of the Pac NW (not much moisture on this side of the hill ) and that may enter into my calculations.

Geno

or nitrited...for me its either SS, Chrome, or Nitrited, I actually believe (with no evidence) that nitriding may retain the native accuracy of the barrel better than chrome lining. Too many deer hunting friends have single shot Remington 742's, and BAR's.

I would take a look at Palmetto State Arms, unless you want a big name rifle, you will not find a better priced rifle than a PSA. You can get a complete mil spec AR from them right now for $400 shipped.

http://palmettostatearmory.com

Besides the link to the home page, do you have a link to the "complete mil spec AR: you are referring to?

I can't find it on their PSA rifle page:

http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/firearms/rifles/palmetto-state-armory.html

Thanks,
Geno

Rifle kit for $369

Add a stripped lower for $50

Rear sight and a magazine for $50

Complete AR for $470

I agree completely.

Eventually over time I would add:

Geissele Dynamic trigger

Optic of choice

VTAC or similar 2 point sling

Free float rail

Flashlight of choice.




That's pretty much it. You would have one top notch carbine. In fact I have been running a fairly similar Colt since pre Y2k. It has been slowly reconfigured over the years.





This is in its current form.




Go with the Colt. Or an FN. Impossible to go wrong with either brand.

With prices being what they are right now, I'd just get a Colt.

If you are strictly wanting a .223, I'd get a Ruger All-Weather Hawkeye from CDNN for $499.00.



Travis

Unfortunately quite a few Ruger ARs have had issues for which they have had to be sent back to the factory. Mine is one of them.

Nah, I am just going to pay more and get some weird off brand gun my wife's, brothers, sisters husband shot once at a gun range in Las Vegas.

What issues

All of mine have given me no problems.....but then again....I wouldn't send an AR back to the factory

Go read over on the Ruger Forums. I couldn't get magazines to seat in mine.

Like Travis was saying, for what you can get a Colt for now, it's an easy answer. Problem solved.

CDNN has these 2 plus 2 free mags for $799.99

6920MP with Camo furniture
http://www.cdnnsports.com/email-spe...gpul-moe-wildfire-camo.html#.VepEcSVViko

6731 HBAR Match Target
http://www.cdnnsports.com/email-spe...23-competition-hbar-ii.html#.VepEeSVViko

Add this one to the mix. $699. Armalite with removeable A2 and 1/2x28 threaded barrel ready for a can.
http://www.eurooptic.com/armalite-m15-556-defensive-sporting-rifle-16-a2-sight-def15f.aspx

Maybe for later, but I do not have the confidence or the knowledge to do that for my first one. I just have not researched it enough.

I know others have done it and it makes sense, but not for me.

Anjin, get yourself on some mail lists like CDNN and such. You'll find a good one at a good price in short order.