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Those foxes look pretty haired out, mores than others Ive seen from Oz, and the 17 seems to be "fur friendly" grin
Nice...

I'm heading back to Texas this winter for some predator hunting , can't wait....

These are our grey foxes, more an animal of the southern states, we get reds up here...

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we get housecats down here.....

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ingwe, I went with a 17 Rem mostly because I'm a lefty and well, options were limited at the time. That and it seems brass is easier to find for the Remington then it is for the FB. The 17's seem to suffer from neck splitting more than any other case I've owned, especially when you start pushing towards 4000, but YMMV.

I cant speak to HV shooting as far as heat, but cleaning wise I'm north of 200 rounds without cleaning it (bore snake only) and it's still shooting dime size groups with 25gr Hornadys and 4320. At 24gr of powder I get just under 300 rds/lb and velocities ~3850.


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Originally Posted by Hunterapp
Longer shooting sessions speaks loudly to the 17 fireball. Feeding great from the mag speaks equally loud to the CZ 527 action to me.


I picked up a lightly used CZ527 that was originally a 17 rem. Owner had Bob green re-chamber the rifle to 17 FB. while the rifle shot great and fed OK from the 17 Rem magazine. I ended up springing for the 221 FB mag well & 221 magazine.

Previous owner opted to settle on one 17 FB rifle an REM 700 which he had threaded for a supressor.

17 fireball cartridges load and feed great from the 221 FB mag. If you can hold out till next year I understand Whittakers is planing to offer a special run on the CZ527 in 17 FB. CZ 527 17 FB special run, would be my favorite option.

If you happen to be a 700 fan feel free to ask me about a couple REM 700's in 17 FB that may be for sale. Most of the gunsmiths I have seen comment on 700 mag mods seem to encourage a guy to find a REM 700 originally set up for 17 or 221 FB.

Guys seem to fall into one of two categories with the CZ's either you love them or hate them. The CZ surly has grown on me.


Good post and all true. ^^^^

I'm 700 fan too, have two 17Rem 700's, but IMO a CZ with the smaller mag/bottom metal (or a Sako Vixon) is the only way to go if you want a reliable repeater in 17FB.
The only 700 action I'd even consider would be one that started life as a 17FB. The extractor is positioned differently which is supposed to cure the cycling problems but it's still hit or miss.

Another option for your 700 action, and what I'd do if I were to ever build another 17 would be a 17/222. The best of both worlds if you can tolerate making brass. Whatever you decide, everyone should have at least one 17cal though,,,,,, (and a 222:).

Hunterapp's definitely right about CZ's growing on you. Hope my 700's don't hear this but my CZ 17fb has become my favorite walking varminter over the years. If you lived closer, I'd let you take it out for a spin.
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Originally Posted by ingwe
True dat on the FB and BDL....


Ive got a new Mtn.Rifle stock...a Syn that B&C makes for Remmy....very Ti-like.....

Got the right bolt face and mag box set up...could screw on a .17 Rem and rock on.....


Seriously, how many shots can you run through before it gums up or accuracy goes to schitt?


Thinking must be done....


If you're set on using that Remington action, there's no way I'd fugk with a FB.

If I have a really good day (north of 300) I soak it in Hoppes for about 8 hours, then that foam cleaner schit for a day. Just like my .22 cal stuff.

The fouling issues are a total myth IME.




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I have to agree with Travis on the cleaning. I bought into the, "17's foul after 50 rounds and have to be cleaned religiously," myth when I had my first one. Wasn't a big deal when I was just fur hunting.

When I went out for a ground squirrel hunt that cleaning crap got old in a hurry. Shoot 50, clean. Shoot 50, clean. After the first day I said screw it. If I ruin the barrel I'll put a new one on it. I shot the rest of the weekend with it without cleaning. It shot as well at the end of the shoot as it did going in. It shot as well many years later and after numerous annual ground squirrel shoots with minimal cleaning.


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17 Rem. is my choice also. 25gr. or 30gr. Nagels, IMR4320, IMR8298, and H414/W760 for the big 30 bullets. Rem 7 1/2 primer and never look back.
The cool 17 shooters do it with controlled round feeders such as CZ's, but the super cool 17 shooters do it with Kimber Montana's in 17 Rem. Just sayin'. whistle

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K22,

No doubt your .17 Rem is UBER.

But mine is the UBER'est....

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US WAY COOL dudes do it with SSK Contender carbines or 14" factory barrels in the 17 Rem.! I have been following the 17 Hornet for a while now and have been actually thinking of having my low wall Hornet re-barreled. However I can call SSK and have a new 24" 17 Rem (have 800 cases) barrel for a little over $450. The one I have now is about worn out (21") and still shoots under an inch all day w/H414 and 25 gr Horns. I think I'll just get a new longer bbl. and load it down a bit w/a faster powder, SPS blems and shoot the cases I have. Comments?-Muddy

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Originally Posted by muddy22
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Buy a rifle.



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Sell the thing to some other cheap bastid from back east that has never known the joys of a repeater.


And then do like Travis said.....

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Travis, Try'in not to wear out my old bent bolt 77V Swift outside of Augusta, that is a rifle!- Muddy

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Originally Posted by muddy22
Travis, Try'in not to wear out my old bent bolt 77V Swift outside of Augusta, that is a rifle!- Muddy


Yes it is! Love those Ruger Swifts.




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If high volume shooting is THE primary purpose, then Don is correct in that the hornet is the cats meow. I've got the hornet, the fireball, the Rem. and a .17/204 and when it comes to lots of shooting in a short period of time the hornet wins, hands down. Fireball heats a barrel darn near as quick as the Remington does, just does it with less powder.


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The fouling issues are a total myth IME.




Travis



OK...thanks to Clark and others...this stuff is good to know, as the .17 Rem would be the easiest to put together. I presume some of the new copper fouling resistant powders help with this...

What powder is the fave in the .17 Rem?


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I found IMR 4320 to be excellent in the 17 Remington.


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Originally Posted by ingwe
Testing the water here...thinking about a .17

.17 rem or .17 Fireball.....????
Pros and cons?...think extended shooting sessions.... wink

Mag mod needed on a 700 for the Fireball, or just a block and small follower?

Talk me into it or talk me out of it....


If you're building, for .17 FB you want an action that was either a FB to begin with or possibly .300 blackout. The extractor is "clocked" a little from the std .222/.223/.204/.17 Rem, I think to clear the action on extraction. I believe a Sako / M16 extractor conversion will fix it as well.

Mag parts ... sheet metal and follower are available pretty cheap through Remington's service center. I might have a spare mag, don't think I have a spare follower. PM me if you need it.

.17 FB was easy-peasy for me. I had a blued SPS. 20 grains of H335 under a 20 grain VMAX, Rem brass, Rem 7-1/2 primers, 3/8ths inch groups, no recoil, and after the first 100 rounds or so, no copper fouling.

.17 Remington .. love it. The 25 grain VMAX gives it delusions of being a .22-250 with less blast and recoil. I've had good luck in various rifles with MR4320, Varget, AA 2520, H380. Some rifles shoot the Hornady 25 grain bullet well, most seem not to. The VMAXes are consistently good, at least with a 1-9" twist.

I would say "do it." I think the .204 Ruger is possibly more practical but the .17s are just friggin' addictive.

Given how much more fun the .204 is than the .22 calibers, and given how much more I like the .17 than the .204, someday I want to take the next step and try a .14.

I'm not sure which .17 I'd recommend more. If you're only doing one, I'd let action availability guide the choice. If you're starting with a .223 action, do the .17 Remington, if you've got a .300 blackout action, go .17 FB. .17 Remington is probably going to feed a little smoother if that's an issue for you.

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Originally Posted by ingwe
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The fouling issues are a total myth IME.




Travis



OK...thanks to Clark and others...this stuff is good to know, as the .17 Rem would be the easiest to put together. I presume some of the new copper fouling resistant powders help with this...

What powder is the fave in the .17 Rem?


ingwe,

4320 is the old standard powder in the 17 Rem., and still gets it done (much like 4198 and the 222), but there are plenty of other powders that load well in in it.
I've gotten good results with Varget, H322, 4064 and Accurate 2460, with Varget and H322 being most preferred of those four.

Of the newer powders IMR 8208 loads excellent.

If you want to keep it simple on powder supply, seeing that you've posted many times about IMR4895 in other rounds you shoot, you can get fine results with that as well, and it wouldn't be a bad place to start until you get a chance to play with some of the others.

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Good info Ted!


Thanks!


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Originally Posted by ingwe


What powder is the fave in the .17 Rem?


ingwe,

4320 is the old standard powder in the 17 Rem., and still gets it done


Spot on ^^^^^ it's hard to find a 17Rem that doesn't respond well to 24-25grns of 4320.

Couple of other's I've had good luck with were W760 (accurate and meters well but it's kinda slow) and N140.
N140's a tich more accurate in my two, burns cleaner, and meters better so I bought a lifetime supply the last time a found a good deal on it.

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