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Rook rifle #10458956 09/20/15 Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 22,272 Back in Texas, for good! tex_n_cal OP Campfire Ranger OP tex_n_cal Campfire Ranger Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 22,272 Back in Texas, for good! well I won an auction for one of them, a Martini action. This will be an interesting experience. "...the designer of the .270 Ingwe cartridge!..."

Re: Rook rifle tex_n_cal #10459064 09/20/15 Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 13,000 Oregon O Oregon45 Campfire Outfitter Oregon45 Campfire Outfitter O Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 13,000 Oregon Search out the Seyfried article on Rook rifles, he had a very useful discussion of forming brass.

Re: Rook rifle tex_n_cal #10459496 09/20/15 Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 22,272 Back in Texas, for good! tex_n_cal OP Campfire Ranger OP tex_n_cal Campfire Ranger Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 22,272 Back in Texas, for good! Thanks - it is a straight walled case, and the receiver is stamped "300" so some research is indicated. "...the designer of the .270 Ingwe cartridge!..."

Re: Rook rifle tex_n_cal #10459804 09/20/15 Joined: Nov 2013 Posts: 28,713 West of the Blue Ridge Pappy348 Campfire Ranger Pappy348 Campfire Ranger Joined: Nov 2013 Posts: 28,713 West of the Blue Ridge Might be .300 Sherwood. Bertram is the place for brass for stuff like this. Oregon45's right about Seyfried. He's the guy on this stuff. Are you sure it's a rook rifle? I believe a lot of Martinis were training rifles with sights marked for pretty long range. Neat rifles regardless. What fresh Hell is this?

Re: Rook rifle tex_n_cal #10460230 09/20/15 Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 23,061 Annapolis, Md. G gnoahhh Campfire Ranger gnoahhh Campfire Ranger G Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 23,061 Annapolis, Md. The term "rook rifle" covers a lot of territory. I'll agree .300 Sherwood might be your flavor. Nothing, but nothing, beats a picture in an instance like this! "You can lead a man to logic, but you cannot make him think." Joe Harz "Always certain, often right." Keith McCafferty

Re: Rook rifle tex_n_cal #10461426 09/21/15 Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 22,272 Back in Texas, for good! tex_n_cal OP Campfire Ranger OP tex_n_cal Campfire Ranger Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 22,272 Back in Texas, for good! I looked in Ken Howell's book - the .300 Sherwood would seem preferable as it is a longer, roomier case than the .300 Rook. oh, here is the completed auction: http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=505272165 welllll... the .300 Sherwood dates to 1901, which supposedly is after this rifle was made. Last edited by tex_n_cal; 09/21/15. Reason: last sentence "...the designer of the .270 Ingwe cartridge!..."

Re: Rook rifle tex_n_cal #10461554 09/21/15 Joined: Nov 2013 Posts: 28,713 West of the Blue Ridge Pappy348 Campfire Ranger Pappy348 Campfire Ranger Joined: Nov 2013 Posts: 28,713 West of the Blue Ridge That's no trainer. A nice sporter of some sort. Good snag. What fresh Hell is this?

Re: Rook rifle tex_n_cal #10461798 09/21/15 Joined: Nov 2002 Posts: 33,663 Either Texas or Idaho E EdM Campfire 'Bwana EdM Campfire 'Bwana E Joined: Nov 2002 Posts: 33,663 Either Texas or Idaho I came very close to buying a Westley Richards rook rifle when I was living in Australia. It was a break open and just beautifully put together and in very good condition. They wanted $2,200. Conduct is the best proof of character.

Re: Rook rifle EdM #10463104 09/21/15 Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 13,000 Oregon O Oregon45 Campfire Outfitter Oregon45 Campfire Outfitter O Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 13,000 Oregon Love that ovate rib barrel. Very cool.

Re: Rook rifle tex_n_cal #10472332 09/23/15 Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 19,822 Alaska/Texas A APDDSN0864 Campfire Ranger APDDSN0864 Campfire Ranger A Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 19,822 Alaska/Texas Originally Posted by tex_n_cal I looked in Ken Howell's book - the .300 Sherwood would seem preferable as it is a longer, roomier case than the .300 Rook. oh, here is the completed auction: http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=505272165 welllll... the .300 Sherwood dates to 1901, which supposedly is after this rifle was made. Patrick, you GOTTA bring that up here and shoot! Ed "Not in an open forum, where truth has less value than opinions, where all opinions are equally welcome regardless of their origins, rationale, inanity, or truth, where opinions are neither of equal value nor decisive." Ken Howell

Re: Rook rifle tex_n_cal #10472396 09/23/15 Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 22,272 Back in Texas, for good! tex_n_cal OP Campfire Ranger OP tex_n_cal Campfire Ranger Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 22,272 Back in Texas, for good! I should have it next week. Brass & bullets shouldn't be too hard. "...the designer of the .270 Ingwe cartridge!..."

Re: Rook rifle tex_n_cal #10472500 09/23/15 Joined: May 2006 Posts: 1,009 Alberta/Saskatchewan Canada F Flyer01 Campfire Regular Flyer01 Campfire Regular F Joined: May 2006 Posts: 1,009 Alberta/Saskatchewan Canada Cool Rifle

Re: Rook rifle tex_n_cal #10477708 09/24/15 Joined: May 2011 Posts: 15,861 Oklahoma O OSU_Sig Campfire Ranger OSU_Sig Campfire Ranger O Joined: May 2011 Posts: 15,861 Oklahoma There is an article on Rook rifles in the latest issue of Rifle or Handloader, can't remember which one, that may shed some light on your rifle. It would be worth the read. Last edited by OSU_Sig; 09/24/15. There are 2 rules to success: 1. Never tell everything that you know.

Re: Rook rifle tex_n_cal #10477830 09/24/15 Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 23,061 Annapolis, Md. G gnoahhh Campfire Ranger gnoahhh Campfire Ranger G Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 23,061 Annapolis, Md. I saw that rifle on GB a couple weeks and almost pulled the pin on it then. Those small Martini actions were built by both BSA and Greener for the gunmaking trade, as well as building complete guns under their own names. Westley Richards ditto, but I don't think they sold their actions to the trade, and may have purchased actions from the other guys too. Nice snag! Keep us posted after you have the rifle. "You can lead a man to logic, but you cannot make him think." Joe Harz "Always certain, often right." Keith McCafferty

Re: Rook rifle tex_n_cal #10478068 09/24/15 Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 22,272 Back in Texas, for good! tex_n_cal OP Campfire Ranger OP tex_n_cal Campfire Ranger Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 22,272 Back in Texas, for good! Thanks - yeah it will be interesting to see if I can contrive flat pointed bullets for it. If I can it should equal or exceed the ability of a .25-20 "...the designer of the .270 Ingwe cartridge!..."

Re: Rook rifle tex_n_cal #10478090 09/24/15 Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Southwestern Montucky ingwe Campfire Oracle ingwe Campfire Oracle Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Southwestern Montucky Im sure you've heard this...but we will be needing to see pics..... "...the left considers you vermin, and they'll kill you given the chance..." Bristoe

Re: Rook rifle tex_n_cal #10484312 09/26/15 Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 13,234 NC T tjm10025 Campfire Outfitter tjm10025 Campfire Outfitter T Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 13,234 NC Just saw the pics. That's a sweetheart. Good catch!

Re: Rook rifle tex_n_cal #10526350 10/05/15 Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 22,272 Back in Texas, for good! tex_n_cal OP Campfire Ranger OP tex_n_cal Campfire Ranger Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 22,272 Back in Texas, for good! Now that I have it in hand, I can tell the rest of the story, and share the video: I discovered the video after I won the auction. "...the designer of the .270 Ingwe cartridge!..."

Re: Rook rifle tex_n_cal #10713282 11/19/15 Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 79,321 B Bristoe Campfire Oracle Bristoe Campfire Oracle B Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 79,321 http://www.buffaloarms.com/300_Rook_Cast_Bullets_it-800266.aspx?CAT=4136

Re: Rook rifle tex_n_cal #10713449 11/19/15 Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 22,272 Back in Texas, for good! tex_n_cal OP Campfire Ranger OP tex_n_cal Campfire Ranger Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 22,272 Back in Texas, for good! You're reminding me to shoot it, aren't you? "...the designer of the .270 Ingwe cartridge!..."

Re: Rook rifle tex_n_cal #10713672 11/19/15 Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 79,321 B Bristoe Campfire Oracle Bristoe Campfire Oracle B Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 79,321 well,.....it"s a firearm, they're fer shootin.

Re: Rook rifle tex_n_cal #10713708 11/19/15 Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 22,272 Back in Texas, for good! tex_n_cal OP Campfire Ranger OP tex_n_cal Campfire Ranger Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 22,272 Back in Texas, for good! yep. If a .25-20 will kill deer I don't know why it wouldn't as well. "...the designer of the .270 Ingwe cartridge!..."

Re: Rook rifle tex_n_cal #10714739 11/19/15 Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 79,321 B Bristoe Campfire Oracle Bristoe Campfire Oracle B Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 79,321 You might want to try these for a low cost plinking load. Seat them flush with the case mouth over a couple grains of Bullseye, then dab a little liquid alox on top for lube. I shoot buckshot round ball loads in my Cadets and they have a surprising amount of wallop. http://www.ballisticproducts.com/Super-Buck-Lead-1-8-lb_jar-300/productinfo/SBK01/

Re: Rook rifle tex_n_cal #10722075 11/23/15 Joined: Oct 2010 Posts: 228 Drumheller AB 2 209jones Campfire Member 209jones Campfire Member 2 Joined: Oct 2010 Posts: 228 Drumheller AB I've been using a 93gr LBT mould for mine, and some AA9 powder. 32long Colt are short, but, will work in them as well. They are fun on gophers, and are a really sweet handling gun. The one I have is an H&H, that was built in 1887, a side lever break action.

Re: Rook rifle tex_n_cal #10722431 11/23/15 Joined: Jan 2012 Posts: 2,776 South Dakota S stantdm Campfire Regular stantdm Campfire Regular S Joined: Jan 2012 Posts: 2,776 South Dakota I sold my Rook rifle about 20 years ago. It had been rechambered to .357 Magnum. Not as nice as yours but one I still miss from time to time. Congrats on getting that one.

Re: Rook rifle tex_n_cal #10761337 12/08/15 Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 65 Bedford, TX USA H Harry Campfire Greenhorn Harry Campfire Greenhorn H Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 65 Bedford, TX USA I just bought a Westley Richards falling block 300 Rook. I have bullets inbound as well as Bertram brass. I have not shot one but would love to hear about your experiences, you load data etc. Better tomorrows and Merry Christmas! Mims (AKA Harry)

Re: Rook rifle tex_n_cal #11049713 03/16/16 Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 22,272 Back in Texas, for good! tex_n_cal OP Campfire Ranger OP tex_n_cal Campfire Ranger Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 22,272 Back in Texas, for good! Dusting off this project, Buffalo Arms had all the stuff in stock, so I ordered dies, bullets & brass today, so we'll see how it works. Maybe I can pop a turkey with it this spring season "...the designer of the .270 Ingwe cartridge!..."

Re: Rook rifle tex_n_cal #11049813 03/16/16 Joined: May 2004 Posts: 56,038 In the Swamps DigitalDan Campfire Kahuna DigitalDan Campfire Kahuna Joined: May 2004 Posts: 56,038 In the Swamps Tex, I dunno what you're planning, but the old Rook guns were somewhat surprising in velocity with BP. If you load black, let us know what it's doing. The .297-250 ran in the mid to high 1300 fps range. I am..........disturbed. Concerning the difference between man and the jackass: some observers hold that there isn't any. But this wrongs the jackass. -Twain

Re: Rook rifle tex_n_cal #11049850 03/16/16 Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 22,272 Back in Texas, for good! tex_n_cal OP Campfire Ranger OP tex_n_cal Campfire Ranger Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 22,272 Back in Texas, for good! Think my biggest concern about black is cleaning, since it's a Martini Cadet pattern and you can't clean from the breech with a normal rod. Not real crazy about trying to clean a BP gun with a Bore Snake or similar widget. "...the designer of the .270 Ingwe cartridge!..."

Re: Rook rifle tex_n_cal #11049902 03/16/16 Joined: Nov 2002 Posts: 33,663 Either Texas or Idaho E EdM Campfire 'Bwana EdM Campfire 'Bwana E Joined: Nov 2002 Posts: 33,663 Either Texas or Idaho Originally Posted by tex_n_cal Dusting off this project, Buffalo Arms had all the stuff in stock, so I ordered dies, bullets & brass today, so we'll see how it works. Maybe I can pop a turkey with it this spring season Good deal Patrick. Buffalo Arms is about 10 miles from my place in Idaho. Good knowledgeable folks there. Conduct is the best proof of character.

Re: Rook rifle tex_n_cal #11049969 03/16/16 Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 23,061 Annapolis, Md. G gnoahhh Campfire Ranger gnoahhh Campfire Ranger G Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 23,061 Annapolis, Md. I own a bunch of clean-from-the-muzzle guns. 'Tain't no big deal. fit a rod guide to the muzzle and all is well. When cleaning a Martini I drop the breech block/trigger assembly out of the receiver first for ease of mopping up blackpowder residue. Easy peasy. "You can lead a man to logic, but you cannot make him think." Joe Harz "Always certain, often right." Keith McCafferty

Re: Rook rifle tex_n_cal #11053310 03/17/16 Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 22,272 Back in Texas, for good! tex_n_cal OP Campfire Ranger OP tex_n_cal Campfire Ranger Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 22,272 Back in Texas, for good! Guess I'd better learn how to take it apart, then "...the designer of the .270 Ingwe cartridge!..."

Re: Rook rifle tex_n_cal #11053737 03/18/16 Joined: May 2004 Posts: 56,038 In the Swamps DigitalDan Campfire Kahuna DigitalDan Campfire Kahuna Joined: May 2004 Posts: 56,038 In the Swamps Ya know you could put in a gun vice upside down, use a hose clamp to secure a garden hose to the muzzle and...wait...maybe not... Dan PS: Muzzle loaders been gettin' cleaned from the front end for a fair spell now. Some of them are precision tools too. I am..........disturbed. Concerning the difference between man and the jackass: some observers hold that there isn't any. But this wrongs the jackass. -Twain

Re: Rook rifle tex_n_cal #11053979 03/18/16 Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 22,272 Back in Texas, for good! tex_n_cal OP Campfire Ranger OP tex_n_cal Campfire Ranger Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 22,272 Back in Texas, for good! Amazing the things you can find online... Assuming of course the Davidson comes apart like other Martinis "...the designer of the .270 Ingwe cartridge!..."

Re: Rook rifle tex_n_cal #11053999 03/18/16 Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 22,272 Back in Texas, for good! tex_n_cal OP Campfire Ranger OP tex_n_cal Campfire Ranger Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 22,272 Back in Texas, for good! The research I've seen suggests that the load most folks use is either 10gr of blackpowder, or 4.5gr of Unique under the 80gr RN lead bullets. I'll just have to see how it shoots and how close I can get it to the fixed sights. Mr. Potterfield didn't have any useful info related to shooting it. "...the designer of the .270 Ingwe cartridge!..."