The Timney trigger in my Springfield 1922 M2 has developed some creep. Can this be remedied by the owner using the adjusting screws or is a job for a gunsmith? How do you go about using the adjusting screws to remove the creep. I have looked at Timney's website but the instructions there are not very helpful.
From the PM gunswizard sent me, and then removed herself from:
Originally Posted by gunswizard
Sir,
I am a gunsmith but that doesn't mean I know everything, I sometimes ask for advice. Your remark was unwarranted, in the future unless you can add something constructive please refrain from posting. Please consider this PM to be rhetorical, no reply sought.
Thanks,
BT
My seperate PM to reply:
Originally Posted by THOMASMAGNUM
#1. I said I thought were a gunsmith, because I thought I remembered you saying you were gunsmith at some point. No slight was intended, but clearly you found some. My query obviously struck some nerve with you. I'll say now though that a "gunsmith" who can't figure out how to adjust a user friendly trigger like a Timney even with instructions is not a real confidence booster... I would think that any "gunsmith" who could find his ass with both hands could manage it. My suggestion to call Timney was a genuine one. They are more than helpful, and back their product well.
#2. Sending PM's to chastise someone for your perceived offense, and then removing yourself from the PM is a very "bitch" move. Though given your overt sensitivity in this case I find it less than surprising.
I'll not remove myself from this PM so you can feel free to reply or delete it. I'd wager it's clear which path you'll choose though. Tom
I am seeking information not a pissing match with a troll who is so ignorant as to not know the meaning of rhetorical nor PM (private message). One more placed on ignore.
Sorry bitch, I asked a question and offered a suggestion. YOU got your puzzy hurt. I understand Private Mesaages and what rhetorical means just fine, but if you send me an unsolicited PM acting like a chick what's rhetorical or private isn't exactly your call. Again the idea of a "gunsmith" sending a gun off to another gunsmith because he can't figure out how to adjust a Timney trigger is damned funny.
I have forgotten more about gunsmithing than you will ever know, besides who are you to judge? You know perfectly well what you were doing asking "I thought you were a gunsmith". Part of being a professional is knowing when to ask a question, many times it is the expedient way to get a solution. Asking others does not dimish one's qualifications. I also know how to behave in a civil manner, not making snide remarks, using foul language or questioning one's sexuality. Crass & crude as has come to typify posters like above. If you cannot make a positive contribution or say anything nice then not responding is the civilized, gentlemanly thing to do. Look back in the gunsmithing section archive and see how much gunsmithing information I have shared from a career in the trade of 40 years. Then ask yourself "what have I contributed"?
Did I say I was going to do it instantaneously? Why do you feel it necessary to use language that you need to mis-spel in order to get by the filter? Another example of crass & crude, notice my replies all use civil adult language. You can quit worrying, you are now on ignore. You never answered my question as to what gunsmithing knowledge you have contributed in 7635 posts. A lot of your stuff seems to be more of a confrontational rather than informational nature.
I always appreciate when a GUNSMITH asks me how to adjust a trigger. It saves me the pain of ever sending anything ( the rifle ) in the wrong direction.
As far as your 30/06 developing Creep. I'd likely start by putting some lok-tite on the screw that holds the trigger on and tighten it back down.
A gunsmith asking about how to adjust a timney trigger is freaking hilarious!
When I quoted "Gunlizard" on a simple vice and file job that really subtended to FIRST YEAR APPRENTICE grade "smithing",...indicating that it would be billed out as Mill and lathe time ,....he got all chitty, and read me off the riot act about his illustrious career as a fine smith,....etc. ,....etc.
Than the "puzzy" PM routine,....just like what Tom just related. ...than ignore,...
Far as I can tell the old sucker's a metal hack, and scam artist, trying to get restoration work done on his trading stock at budget basement $$ ....may have been responsible for sweeping floors in some Gun Factory once, but quite a bit shy of making a pimple on a smith's ass.
Pizz on him and alla' this "polite" crap.
Now which way should I turn this, and what's your choice of penetrating oil ?
GTC
Member, Clan of the Border Rats -- “Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it.”- Mark Twain
Another troll heard from, worthless confrontational posts are his style too. Seldom contributes anything worthwhile, acting like a pimple faced adolescent hiding behind his computer keyboard hurling insults must be how he gets his jollies. Most 'fire folks know these types for what they are.
The funny thing about that last line of your's gunswizard is that a damn good amount of 'fire regulars have met or know me in person. Same for crossfireoops. I've made a lot of very good friends here. How many can you say that for gunswizard?
By the way that Timney still got you stumped? For all your crowing about wanting to find the most expedient answer it sure seems calling Timney would have been the faster route.
If a Timney has creep, look at engagement, it may be too much. You don't need a lot. I'd get the specs from Timney if I didn't know how much was enough, or too little.
Generally Timneys are very good triggers, I have several and none have been problems in any way.
If a Timney has creep, look at engagement, it may be too much. You don't need a lot. I'd get the specs from Timney if I didn't know how much was enough, or too little.
Generally Timneys are very good triggers, I have several and none have been problems in any way.
DF
Happend on my vanguard trigger, the sear was not properly hardened . I sent it back and got a new one ASAP
If a Timney has creep, look at engagement, it may be too much. You don't need a lot. I'd get the specs from Timney if I didn't know how much was enough, or too little.
Generally Timneys are very good triggers, I have several and none have been problems in any way.
DF
Happend on my vanguard trigger, the sear was not properly hardened . I sent it back and got a new one ASAP
I don't think you'll find a Timney with less than optimal metal hardening. Too much engagement seems to me the most probably culprit.
If that doesn't work, a call to Timney would be my next move and maybe a return for them to check it.
It could be the sear engagement screw, but calling Timney is the best way to go. Also, Timney recommends NOT putting Loc-tite on the adjustment screws.
It could be the sear engagement screw, but calling Timney is the best way to go. Also, Timney recommends NOT putting Loc-tite on the adjustment screws.
I don't either, unless that sucker has been moving.
There are different levels of Loc-tite. Get the least binding if you're gonna use it.
Because dikheads like you have run many old time posters off with your confrontational attack posts filled with hate and and disparaging remarks. If you can't contribute anything inetelligent you need to MYOB. You're still avoiding my question regarding worthwile contributions you've made. It's time you grew up and quit acting like a pimplefaced adolescent who hides behind his keyboard and bullies the civilized gentlemen on this forum.
Because dikheads like you have run many old time posters off with your confrontational attack posts filled with hate and and disparaging remarks. If you can't contribute anything inetelligent you need to MYOB. You're still avoiding my question regarding worthwile contributions you've made. It's time you grew up and quit acting like a pimplefaced adolescent who hides behind his keyboard and bullies the civilized gentlemen on this forum.
You attack with a vengeance, you're gonna get it back with interest.
So, you can't complain about being picked on, you're setting yourself up.
Oh boy, a threat. The post was not even directed at you DF. Only commenting about a sincere post seeking information having been hijacked. After the children were done playing the mature adult posters came thru and I got the answers I was seeking. And please notice nowhere in my posts did I mention getting anything back with interest or being set up. Nothing negative,confrontational or threatening at all. This post having provided the information sought I'm considering as closed. Thanks to those who helped, your assistance is appreciated as always.
Hey stupid schitt... I told you to call Timney like many others here suggested as well. Yes, it's likely sear engagement, but if you couldn't follow the basic instructions on Timney's webpage explaining that likely isn't going to help you much SO I SAID CALL TIMNEY. I asked you a question, and made a suggestion. YOU'RE the one who made any of it confrontational. You PM'ed me... You said dumb schit because you took offense to something, and then removed yourself like a petulant woman in an effort to have the final word.
Whine some more and pretend you didn't start schit with your PM that I posted.
Another troll heard from, worthless confrontational posts are his style too. Seldom contributes anything worthwhile, acting like a pimple faced adolescent hiding behind his computer keyboard hurling insults must be how he gets his jollies. Most 'fire folks know these types for what they are.
Really ?
You've been asking some of the STUPIDEST and most basic questions about bench techniques for YEARS now, as far as I can see. Asking about "the best penetrating oil for a stuck / seized 6-48" Ya' know GunLizard,....most KIDS that have been pulling wrenches in High School and 4H tractor repair programs will BELLOW out their favorite home brewed concoction,....and a LOT of them are young shooters, to boot. YOU have to come here and whine about 30 years of FAILING to get some sorta' chit together/ can do attitude, and NOT being able to get a steel screw out of a steel receiver ??????
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Seldom contributes anything worthwhile
I've YET to see you put up a goddam thing but whiny TEXT, and squat to pee dialogue. So,....could you maybe target some of my old photo RICH posts,...and bless the assembly here with your august and discerning critique ....the FOCUS being on WTF "Worthwhile" means.
Fill your boots, GunLizard.
GTC
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Member, Clan of the Border Rats -- “Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it.”- Mark Twain
It could be the sear engagement screw, but calling Timney is the best way to go. Also, Timney recommends NOT putting Loc-tite on the adjustment screws.
I don't either, unless that sucker has been moving.
There are different levels of Loc-tite. Get the least binding if you're gonna use it.
DF
Tech tip from Crossfire,
NO Loctite,....Permatex Indian Head Shellac is THE oldest formula that the company that now OWNS the commercial "Loctite" patents and trademark.
If it's not setting up quick enough,....dope it down with a little stove gas.
It will NOT "lock" up a damned thing,....but it sure will make screws hard to turn off of a desired index point.
Crap sakes,....you Timney boys try working with original flintlock three bar Set triggers , if you want to pull hair out in chunks, and develop a tic.
GTC
Member, Clan of the Border Rats -- “Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it.”- Mark Twain
It could be the sear engagement screw, but calling Timney is the best way to go. Also, Timney recommends NOT putting Loc-tite on the adjustment screws.
I don't either, unless that sucker has been moving.
There are different levels of Loc-tite. Get the least binding if you're gonna use it.
DF
Tech tip from Crossfire,
NO Loctite,....Permatex Indian Head Shellac is THE oldest formula that the company that now OWNS the commercial "Loctite" patents and trademark.
If it's not setting up quick enough,....dope it down with a little stove gas.
It will NOT "lock" up a damned thing,....but it sure will make screws hard to turn off of a desired index point.
Crap sakes,....you Timney boys try working with original flintlock three bar Set triggers , if you want to pull hair out in chunks, and develop a tic.
Ideally one dopes the screw's recess, and the screw, and allows the stuff to set right up. Pleasant smell, kinda' like an old rope loft or skinny skis being waxed. No toxic methacrylic esters or such. No flies whatsoever on Loctite products,...I maintain and use a spectrum of them. I guess General Electric "Glyptol" has been taken off the market to save the little frogs and fishies or some damn thing. THAT was another really nice asset to have in one's bag of "this screw will stay right here, at precisely this setting, 'til I want it to change". At that point one dipped a scribe in acetone and worried the dab you'd applied off, and changed, disassembled, or adjusted.
GTC
Member, Clan of the Border Rats -- “Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it.”- Mark Twain
If a Timney has creep, look at engagement, it may be too much. You don't need a lot. I'd get the specs from Timney if I didn't know how much was enough, or too little.
Generally Timneys are very good triggers, I have several and none have been problems in any way.
DF
Happend on my vanguard trigger, the sear was not properly hardened . I sent it back and got a new one ASAP
I don't think you'll find a Timney with less than optimal metal hardening. Too much engagement seems to me the most probably culprit.
If that doesn't work, a call to Timney would be my next move and maybe a return for them to check it.
DF
Sears at that time came from an outside vendor, every one was not hardened properly.
Did I say I was going to do it instantaneously? Why do you feel it necessary to use language that you need to mis-spel in order to get by the filter? Another example of crass & crude, notice my replies all use civil adult language. You can quit worrying, you are now on ignore. You never answered my question as to what gunsmithing knowledge you have contributed in 7635 posts. A lot of your stuff seems to be more of a confrontational rather than informational nature.
I so enjoy irony.
If you take the time it takes, it takes less time. --Pat Parelli
American by birth; Alaskan by choice. --ironbender
From the PM gunswizard sent me, and then removed herself from:
Originally Posted by gunswizard
Sir,
I am a gunsmith but that doesn't mean I know everything, I sometimes ask for advice. Your remark was unwarranted, in the future unless you can add something constructive please refrain from posting. Please consider this PM to be rhetorical, no reply sought.
Thanks,
BT
My seperate PM to reply:
Originally Posted by THOMASMAGNUM
#1. I said I thought were a gunsmith, because I thought I remembered you saying you were gunsmith at some point. No slight was intended, but clearly you found some. My query obviously struck some nerve with you. I'll say now though that a "gunsmith" who can't figure out how to adjust a user friendly trigger like a Timney even with instructions is not a real confidence booster... I would think that any "gunsmith" who could find his ass with both hands could manage it. My suggestion to call Timney was a genuine one. They are more than helpful, and back their product well.
#2. Sending PM's to chastise someone for your perceived offense, and then removing yourself from the PM is a very "bitch" move. Though given your overt sensitivity in this case I find it less than surprising.
I'll not remove myself from this PM so you can feel free to reply or delete it. I'd wager it's clear which path you'll choose though. Tom
The "P" in "PM" stands for "PRIVATE" It's pretty low class to post it. That's a "bitch move" too.
One shot, one kill........ It saves a lot of ammo!
If a Timney has creep, look at engagement, it may be too much. You don't need a lot. I'd get the specs from Timney if I didn't know how much was enough, or too little.
Generally Timneys are very good triggers, I have several and none have been problems in any way.
DF
This^^^
I prefer classic. Semper Fi I used to run with the hare. Now I'm envious of the tortoise and I do my own stunts but rarely intentionally
Seriously DF laughing your azz off? Evryone on this forum knows exactly the kind of azzclown you are after feigning alcoholic rehab, shows the kind of ballz you have commenting about anyone else.
From the PM gunswizard sent me, and then removed herself from:
Originally Posted by gunswizard
Sir,
I am a gunsmith but that doesn't mean I know everything, I sometimes ask for advice. Your remark was unwarranted, in the future unless you can add something constructive please refrain from posting. Please consider this PM to be rhetorical, no reply sought.
Thanks,
BT
My seperate PM to reply:
Originally Posted by THOMASMAGNUM
#1. I said I thought were a gunsmith, because I thought I remembered you saying you were gunsmith at some point. No slight was intended, but clearly you found some. My query obviously struck some nerve with you. I'll say now though that a "gunsmith" who can't figure out how to adjust a user friendly trigger like a Timney even with instructions is not a real confidence booster... I would think that any "gunsmith" who could find his ass with both hands could manage it. My suggestion to call Timney was a genuine one. They are more than helpful, and back their product well.
#2. Sending PM's to chastise someone for your perceived offense, and then removing yourself from the PM is a very "bitch" move. Though given your overt sensitivity in this case I find it less than surprising.
I'll not remove myself from this PM so you can feel free to reply or delete it. I'd wager it's clear which path you'll choose though. Tom
The "P" in "PM" stands for "PRIVATE" It's pretty low class to post it. That's a "bitch move" too.
Yeah okay bitch... Here's the lowdown since you're pretty clearly lacking in reading comprehension. Duncewizard sent me an unsolicited drive-by PM to bitch at me for asking a question and making a suggestion. Then tried to block me and remove herself from the conversation before I replied. So yeah that's the bitch move...
I added a photo of what screw to use and can look through the very convenient small window hole to watch your sear engagement. It took me longer to add the arrows in the photo than it did to read the instructions and find out which screw it was. good luck with "gunsmithing" gunwizard
Got news for both of em and any other so called smith who joined into this rediculous childish discussion...........I wouldn't let any one of you touch my firearm..........your arrogance is sickening.
The trigger has not "developed creep". The creep existed from the start but smoothing of the sear surface with use has made it more noticable. Reduction of sear engagement is the most likely cure. If you are a gunsmith, you should be able to easily ascertain which screw is the sear engagement screw. If you cannot, you should probably not mess with triggers and should take it to a gunsmith who is familiar with trigger work. GD
