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My BIL lives in Australia and just received a depredation permit for his farm. He wants a 50mm scope for light gather at dawn and dusk. He wants to spend $350 or less. Would he be better off getting a Zeiss Conquest 3x9x40 or buying a lower end 50mm scope? I'm leaning towards the Zeiss since it has great glass and is still in his price range over getting a cheaper quality 50mm scope.

I'm open to other ideas so what would you guys choose to help this Aussie shoot some kangaroos?

Leupold 6x42.

Agreed!

David

With the heavy duplex. That said, IMO better quality optics trumps a larger objective lens and or more magnification.

In my experience too the quality of the glass is more important than objective size. A friend and I compared his VX-3 4.5-14x50 with my Conquest 3-9x40 thirty minutes after sunset. Both scopes were set at 6x. We both thought the Conquest was better.

get the meopro 3.4-10x44 at cameraland. think its 349

6x super chicken would and is what just went on my RAR 243.

Leupold 6x42 or a SS fixed 6 or fixed 10.

^^^^^^


This.


BIG TIME

Does a fixed 6x transmit more light than a 3x9 set a 6x considering they are the same quality of glass?

6X42 and the Nazi #1.




Travis

Yes, assuming all other factors are equal.

I have two rifles set up with Leupold QR mounts so that I can use a Leupold 6x42 with a heavy duplex at first and last light. In between, I can swap to a different scope, in these cases Leupold 2-7x33s, if I want to.

It's a shame an animal owned this scope......http://www.ebay.com/itm/KAHLES-Helia-Super-8x56-8L2-riflescope-reticle-1-NO-rail-/171950995693?hash=item280913f8ed

An animal owned it?

Fixed 6 has fewer lenses, so yes.

David

Hard to go wrong with a 6x42 and a reasonably bold reticle.

I've used the 6x42 to hit basketball sized targets out to several hundred yards at night, provided there was decent illum from stars and/or the moon.

Buy the Zeiss Conquest 3x9x40mm.

Another vote here for the Conquest.

anybody know of a good deal on a Zeiss Conquest? Opticsplanet had a good deal a few months ago. Please let me know if you can find a deal. It looks like the the conquest will fit his need even though he 'thinks' a 50mm is better.

I have always been a Leupold guy, I keep buying pre 64 mod 70 Winchesters so one or 3 scopes in German glass is all I have managed thru the years. My all time ,all around favorite now is the side AO focus, 4.5X 14 with the varmint reticule, top turret can be target turret, I can take or leave that option, I do not want one on the windage... My 2 C , the very best WinchesterPoor or broke

Hard to beat agood 3-9x40 for most general uses . Versatile fairly light plenty of magnification and generally cheap.

Either the Zeiss Conquest 3-9x40 or the Meopta 3.5-10x44. Don't see how you could go wrong with either one IMO.

3x9 Zeiss Conquest

Get either the conquest or the meopta mentioned above. Skip the fixed 6X.

I ended up ordering the Conquest and getting myself one as well. This scope at $300 sounded to good to me to pass up.

Thank you all for the help. I'll probably buy a fixed 6 down the road for a light weight rig. It's still a little hard to not want that extra magnification though.

You ain't gonna listen and that will be THE funniest fhuqking part.

Firstly,I've got or have shot every glass thus far mentioned,as well as a lot that ain't. I'll never savvy why folks swoon the Conquest(in ANY of it's forms),other than it's always a buncha Clueless Dumbfhuqks easily enamored with a "name". There is nothing redeeming in the Conquest,whether one is talking reticle(s),adjustment value/range/reliability,out right durability,eye-relief or any other facet pertinent to actual scope USE. Hint. Now read that again. Re-hint.

Same goes Meopta.

Now you didn't cite the rifle in particular,but as a worst case scenario it's 1-10" which means 90 Skinners at 3350fps are viable. Though a concession to a 9" spout,it still opens alotta windows of opportunity. Understand that I'm being VERY generous,in tossing the courtesy that the gent in question has a first fhuqking clue...which ain't very fhuqking likely given the query. More likely a Turd Polisher flingin' Ping Pong Balls in sheer and utter ignorance,devoid a single inkling in the arrangement of POA/POI intersections. You really should be writing this down. Read that again. Hint.

The aforementioned 6x42's(I just might have some familiarity),are very often the pick of the litter,as Utility goes. Their sole undoing isn't a function of the relative "quality" of the glass,exit pupil or anything else,but rather gathering the reticle in the lowest of light conditions...which is the very premise of your passed along query. It got sooooooo good,that one Stupid Fhuqker is gonna pack multiple scopes and swap 'em out,as ambient light levels change. FUNNY schit! The hilarity of Imagination and Pretend is without limits!

Anywhoo...the most fruit is always gonna be gathered and the most dots connected,if you focus on Reality,though it obviously ain't for everyone,as these Threads always eloquently attest. If one focuses(literally) on rugged reliability,durability,erector repeatability and forgets all the Fluff...it then becomes easy to cut to the fhuqking chase and laugh at Conquest-esque Notions,which are only proffered by the faction that "does" the least. Read that again. Hint. Now one more time. The Conquest is a ticking time bomb piece of schit and that again is my being very generous. Re-re-hint.

So beings it's a given that the reticle comes into play,once rugged reliability has been granted,there's only ONE fhuqking way to truly connect them dots and that via illumination. Sadly,most illuminated reticles are sorry Goat Fhuqks contrived by Clueless Bean Counters and are only good for laughs. They are designed by folks educated wayyyyyyyyyy beyond their fhuqking "intelligence" and it gets funny FAST. Hint.

Now that all of the salient points have flown over your pointy fhuqking head,I'll happily take the time to connect a few more fhuqking dots,so schit will get REALLY fhuqking funny,when you stand lock-legged at the waterin' hole and make a "stand" of Clueless Refrain. Laughing!

Though a 10" 243Win do nice thangs,one can't ever have "too much" erector travel. A reticle that grants opportunity upon the windshield,will never hurt the equation. When schit is dark,nothing works like light(illumination). Soooooooo...the astute can have their cake and eat it too. If one were to procure the SFP SWFA 1-4x and rock it ala Variable Fixed Fhuqker with subtention set to jive the erector(4x),alotta nice things happen by literal default.

Firstly,the erector travel is beyond "huge" at 62+ MILS and in 1/10 increments at the typical 5 Mil per each revolution.



Secondly,the reticle grants 10Mils of ele and 5 Mils of windage. That's the 1200yd line from a 250yd 90 Skinner zero and 1600yds of holdoff in 10mph full value correction.



Thirdly,it's illuminated and when activated it is EXCEEDINGLY easy to hold hard as the center point is 1MOA and lightning quick. betwixt every rheostat setting,is an "off" position,so one is never more than a single click away from dealing death.



Fourthly,tube length is veddy veddy generous and will easily facilitate mounting on any platform. As compared to a Reupold 6x42.



Compared to a Reupold 1" 3.5-10x 40mm and a L/A 700 receiver,for 1000 more words.



Fifthly,it's weight is commensurate to a 1" Reupold 6x42/3.5-10x wearing turrets. The Illuminati Variable Fixed [bleep] houses 36MOA of money in the bank,on the reticle alone.

Sixthly,the extry battery compartment is an essentially well thunked out idea. I've left it on for nearly 2wks and cain't kill the 1st battery,which is of dubious descent.



Seventhly,when configured as a Variable Fixed Fhuqker it do toss 6mm's of exit pupil...if only for extrapolation.

Eightly, acquisition is lightnin' quick,with the 'box and 'relief suplizingly forgiving.

Ninthly,the reticle's subtension values allow one to hold hard and it's a breeze to connect on 1MOA targets to 1000yds+.

Tenthly,the erector tracks like it has fhuqking eyes and one 'hose washer,will grant a zero-stop.




Now coming full circle and had Night Knocking not been the crux of the premise,the 6x42 Fixed Fhuqker MQ simply steals the show. It has far more tactile adjustments than the MOA/MD version of same and one is of course granted a vastly superior reticle,that is both more finite and of twice the subtention latitude. That being said,the Illuminati's adjustments Trump ALL,in their tactility and I've prolly gotta few scopes to compare/contrast. Hint.

You'll still manage to fhuqk this up.

Bless your heart................











(Addendum: ship them pieces of fhuqking schit back ASAP)

Thank me later.

Hint..................

I wonder how many contributions to this thread are from people who have ever shot a roo?

The usual method is from a vehicle, at night, under a spotlight, and the conditions on the permit require headshots. For many years the preferred option for the purpose amongst the pro shooters (who shoot roos literally by the truckload) has been a good 8x56, and there's a lot to recommend that choice. Not the most versatile for other purposes a .243 might be put to though.

For my part I've spotlighted roos with a 6x42 (not a Leupold) and various 3-9x40 scopes, and they do the job. The better the glass the easier the job becomes. FWIW I've only once used an illuminated reticle for the purpose, and soon switched it off.

I have not shot a roo and never will but what you are saying makes perfect sense.

Seems to me that if the glass quality is good enough to see the animal then merely seeing a lighted reticle isn,t going to help a thing.

Oh my...now there's different kinds of "dark",upon different Hemispheres?!? Where and HOW do you Dumb Fhuqkers come up with this schit?

Cite the glass and reticle,that "ruined" your spotlighting. Yes I know,I know,you've never even seen or heard of the glass in question and do not "think",that such facts don't add more than a buncha fhuqking humor to the equation.

I wonder what would happen,if one where to meld said reticle and it's 10 brightness setting rheostat,with say a modest 65 Lumen LED...for things that go bump in the night?!?

Laughing!



You Do Nothing Dumbfhuqks are a hoot!

Do tell about these various 6x42's and 3-9x 40's and their reticles that bypass Illumination in their inherent abilities.

I assure you,it WILL get even fhuqking funnier yet.

Wow +P!...................

It is obvious from some of the posts in this thread that you aren't alone in that

Mind you, I'm no pro-shooter either. I've probably only shot some hundreds of them myself.

Leupold 6x42

Have run 1000+ rounds through .473" boltguns on numerous days. Am more than a touch comfy in having accrued more round count than everyone bolted together and have just might seen a scope or two.

I'll feign my "surprise" that the various 6x42's and 3-9x "particulars" are a whole fhuqking bunch more than vague.

Hell...I doubt if I've shot much than 100 6x42's and in the lowest of light,the Variable Fixed Fhuqker Illuminati blows 'em all outta the fhuqking water.

Hint.....................

The Variable Fixed Fhuqker Illuminati is on the list for eval. Looking forward to seeing one in person.

glazer,

I've had a couple Leupo 6x42 and like them for several reasons. They are generally "bright" compared to scopes of similar price range as JB has noted in his low light scope evals. But even so, it pales in comparison to even low to midrange binos. In many situations such as dusk, or in dark timber with lowlight the 6x42 is still lacking, even if better than average.

One of the "brightest" scopes I've used was a Kahles 2-7x. It was literally like night vision compared to anything else. Exit pupil is a factor, number of lenses, quality of lenses. I think we sometimes get wrapped up in objective size, magnification, and brand but I suspect that lenses can also be tailored to wavelengths so that some scopes actually do better than others in low light even if the "numbers" don't say its so.

Based on Stick's review, it seems like the 4x SWFA has similar low light performance PLUS the lit reticle which allows for aiming w/o ruining night vision.

J

Great scope.

The first response is most always the best.

So the short ( no pun intended ) version is, you're a Tasco/Simmons Kind of Guy?

My favorite part of this thread is the recommendation of scopes that can't be exported from the US (SWFA SS) to a shooter in Oz.

Yeah, this scope would work just fine.



Have a good day.

4th,

Ordered another Illuminati yesterday,for a K-Hornet/35V-Max Rut Knocker(form loads...as I save the 32 version of same,for Formed cases). Nice that the windshield alone,reliably grants more "up" than a 1" Reupold coughs up on it's erector,after zero.

I reckon it'll reap a minimum of 30 Mils remaining on the erector,with a 150yd zero and that'll allow the 900yd line all in. Pard had one my Annie 54's out to the 725yd line the other day and set the MQ hook on himself.

Have a SAAMI 223 Montucky with a used up spout getting rebarreled currently and it'll be a contour duped 1-8" Bart' nipped at 18.5" and chambered no-turn 6-45 and slated expressly to 105's. Thinkin' it'll wear an Illuminati too and will be a Wicked Slippery Sleeper of the highest magnitude.

Hope to have it back for Rutdom,but my barrel guy was on vacation and won't have the spout shipped out until net week. Generally only have to wait a day or two on a build,but the Mail do linger at this time of year.

Be nice to break it in on a Booner....................















'down,

I've prolly seen a Reupold 6x42 or two................(grin)















Shefire,

Always a hoot,when you flaunt your Imagination and it's Pretend,wrapped soundly within your Do Nothing Dumbfhuqkery.

I don't feel compelled to apologize for owning more glass than you could begin to fathom..but "luckily" for you,Imagination and Pretend remain priced so you can afford to "contribute" too.

Don't let the cat get your tongue,nor the couch your kchunt.

Congratulations?!?

Bless your heart.

Laughing!..................















'goat,

My favorite part is a Whining Kchunt being two-blocked,with getting a gawddamned scope in the fhuqking Mail.

No need to reiterate all the fhuqking things you can't do. Who chews your food for you? PLEASE tell yourself,there isn't any MIL/MIL glass Down Under.

Laughing!

Wow +P+......................

That and a bloke getting all incoherently dogmatic about what might be the best choice for an activity he clearly has no actual knowledge or experience of. And then rabbitting on about how many rounds he's fired, as if it is meant to impress anyone. Like sex advice from someone who, while they've never actually copulated, has masturbated frequently and over a long time period.

Comedy gold!

So I'll take that as a yes on the Tasco/Simmons Connection...

TOUCHE!

Hey Stick,

Ya just gotta love all them old wives tails, MIL/MIL Fixed Fuqkers. They even came in the fhuqkin' mail!!!! whodathunkit?!?......*grin*

Will be scooping a coupla few more and you just mighta twisted my arm on the Illuminati Fuqker....

Like Carnac The Magnificent from half a World away!

Would hurt to get one dirty

'oz,

Don't "forget"...you were gonna "tell" me about 6x42's and 3-9X's,you Clueless Dumbfhuqk.

Perhaps skip all things germane once again and go right to Whining instead. It ain't like you've got another move. Hint.

Bless your heart.

P.S. and by the way,actually shooting do illuminate more than a few thangs and it's never been tough to cypher who do and who don't. Pun be intended(Google it).



Don't let the cat get your tongue or the couch your kchunt..............














Shefire,

You Turd Polishing Clueless Fhuqk...you'd need a co-signer for the scope caps alone.

My weakness is BSA glass and Mossbergs.



Laughing!...........














'eyes,

If you could only begin to fathom the Touchetitude of your incredible Dumbfhuqkery.



Just sayin'...............















'line,

They'll make for better pixels,when wearing Illuminati's and leanin' against dead Bucks.(grin)



Reupold's attempt at variable illumination ain't horrid,but the repeatability of the erector is horrid,as is the latitude,when weighed objectively in accordance to The Illuminati.

How's the Tommy stocked CZ treating you?

Please realize how mean it is,to be crushing Fantasy with Facts,as these Drooling Dumbfhuqks only have Fantasy to "wield".

Take that away and they've got nothing...as the Stupid Fhuqkers are reliably stumped with Mail.

Wow +P+!...........














260Gal,

You musta "forgot" about Imaginary Pretend Ignore,yet again...you sappy Whining Lying Piece Of Schit Fhuqk.

Lookin' forward to your next Whine and a fresh batch of Excuses.

Laughing!............
















'fee,

All my schit is Safe Queens.

Laughing!...............

)

I intend to buy a second super chicken 1-4 this year, the one I have is on a Ruger SR762 in an Aeroprecision mount, best scope going for the money. I like the reticle in it better than the NF cluster F....

'fee,

Living in arid conditions and traipsing within the confines of well manicured fenced fields,perhaps grants glass some Safe Queen favors.



The never ending balmy blue skies is easy on things too.




Let's hope that The Do Nothing Dumbfhuqks didn't run out Imagination,Pretend or "remembered" their Imaginary Pretend Ignore...let along came to the realization that Mail just might not be as "daunting" as their Delusions tell them.

I'm fhuqking crying,I'm laughing sooooooooooooooo hard!

Where do these Clueless Kchunts come from?!?

Wow +P++!.....................














'p,

On my 308 Krunchenticker I went 10x MQ,with Skinners at 2700fps from it's 20". Could certainly flog on it harder,but I've got good dope and it reliably blows minds.



With the Magpul PRS,it is too heavy for anything but giggles...but do shoot like a dirty bastard.

I drive a 10x MQ on my BHW MK12SPR and it's a wicked bitch.



The Illuminati's reticle is without peer,as it's finite,crystalline and amazingly fast.

It defines "versatile".



Conjoin those attributes with it's incredible erector latitude and dots get connected,by literal default.

Look for 'em to catch on like wildfire................(grin)

You are a real peace of work Big Stick. You make false assumptions about everybody else based on nothing other than the fact that you disagree with them. Jeez, you're a real peach.

Unfounded assumptions, fantasy, boasting and invective, all wrapped up in confused thinking and gibberish. It is genuinely funny though. So many highlights already, and I’m sure the fun isn’t done yet.

Just a quick recap

What does he reply with?

Yeah mate, spotlights do create a different kind of dark. Hint
Not some little 65 lumen penlight either. Hint

His response?

This is what happens when teachers don’t focus on reading comprehension in junior school…Hint

And he really gets in his stride when called on the fact that he really has no clue what he’s talking about, even posting a pic of some boxes on a shelf

How many rounds you've fired doesn't count for much in making you an expert on conditions you have no knowledge or experience of. Most blokes who done a bit of shooting recognise that. When you start taking about things such as elevation travel and hold-off and how light and compact a scope is, in the context of spotlighting roos, all you are doing is demonstrating that. Hint.

All this thread really demonstrates is that Big Stick’s “advice” on just about anything has to be suspect. I’m not quite sure, yet, whether he’s a clown or an idiot – or both.

'Sky,

No schit..."peace"?!? You Poor poor STUPID Fhuqk.

Wow.

Laughing!

Use as much of your Imagination and Pretend as you dare,to find me "mistaken" and I'll happily take the time to rub your nose even further in your incredible Stupidity.

Bless your heart.....................















'oz,

It's your Imagination,Pretend with it as you must.

I'll feign my "surprise",that you remain more than a whole bunch uncomfy in glass "particulars",but rock a bitchin' Vagina Monologue instead. Congratulations?!?

Laughing!

Pardon my being afforded the luxury,of not being forced to guess,as you obliviously quantify just how far you are in over your pointy head...while remaining WELL shy of a first fhuqking clue.

You Do Nothing Day Dreaming Dumb Fhuqks are a hoot!..................

Leaning toward "both"

go-bears, I think you'd be best advised to ask this question on an Aussie hunting forum.

'oz,

You be sure to tilt as requisite,to fuel your Imagination and spark your Pretend.

I'll feign my "surprise",that the "Magical" 6x42's and 3-9x's encountered in your vast "experience",quantified by your "knowledge" and bolstered by your "results"...just ain't gonna ever come to light. Hell,I enjoy your Imagination and Pretend,almost as much as you do,though for very different reasons.

Congratulations?!?

Laughing!

The only thing you "shoot" is your mouth and Imagination.



I know,I know...you are gunning Super Secret Squirrel Chamberings,Bullets and Rifles in these "trying" pursuits too?!?

You Dumbest Of Fhuqks crack me up! Who chews your food for you?

Bless your heart..................














'go,

Side by each extrapolations,have been knowed to bear fruit...no matter the Hemisphere.

Google it.






Hint.

Groovin' on the "Special Dark" Clause.

Laughing!..................

Big Stick/Boxer/Larry, you are a real piece of work, once again spreading true hate and discontent. I'll play your game just this once. It’s been fun stroking you and toying with you but it has become tiring. Anybody who is not you or one of your sycophants or one who is unwilling to challenge you in any way is, in your mind, a do-nothing, know-nothing, worthless human being. According to you, they/we are all people who don’t shoot, don’t get out and hunt and aren’t real outdoorsman. To use your phrase, it’s easy to see them that do. The problem is, you’re wrong. It’s easy to see them that tell you that they do and what they do. The problem for your analysis is that most have been brought up to not be braggadocios. Most like to come here and participate in grown-up conversation to both share and learn without providing their outdoor or shooting resume.

One of the biggest problems with you is that you stifle so much discussion and input. You keep so many people from asking questions out of fear that Larry and his posse will make fun of them and belittle them for asking questions to which they don’t know the answer. You are one of the worst kinds of human beings. You are a bully. I don’t come online and brag about what I do or did and therefore you think you know me. You think you know that I’ve never been there, done that; so, to you, I sit on my couch, licking windows and living vicariously through you. Yep, it’s easy to see them that do. I have some questions for you:

How many times have you been in a combat zone? Zero. How many times have you been in a foreign county on behalf of your country? Zero. How many hours have you spent walking through the desert in full combat gear, IBA, ACH, ruck with 80 pounds of gear, and out of water and still driving on? Zero. Have you spent weeks in 110 degree plus heart, without showering and still affectively done your job? No. Can you tear down and reassemble an M2 50 cal, a MK19, an M9, an M11, a 249, a 240 (B&C), a 203, a 320, an M60, an M16, an M4, a 25MM main gun while blindfolded? No. How about not blindfolded? No. How many people have you instructed and trained on the use of the above? Zero. How many times have you successfully disarmed/neutralized UXO or booby traps? Zero. How many enemies of this country have tried to kill you and your buddies? Zero. Have you attained combatives level 3 and been instructor certified in such? No. Have you received a Hotel (H) designator from both the U.S. Army Armor School and the U.S. Army Infantry School? No. Have you put in excess of over 100,000 rounds down range in any given year? No. Have you hiked through the mountains for 7 to 14 days at a time, for multiple years, living off of solely what is in your pack? No. You drive your cute truck every where. I could go on and on; but, that’s enough. You get my point.

I know dozens of young kids who make you look like the worthless blowhard you are and who have seen things and done things beyond your comprehension; young kids with whom you could only hope to emulate on your best day and their worse. Yet we get the privilege of reading your musings knowing you are sitting behind a computer screen patting yourself on the back and giggling to yourself while bullying others and giving yourself some sort of false sense of self-worth.

If for some reason I took you hunting in the mountains with me, you couldn’t keep up on your best day and my worse. Holy crap would I love the opportunity to prove that. I feel sorry for you because you don’t know how much you don’t know about me and others. If you and I were face to face and you mouthed off like you do on this forum, you would be wearing your ass for a hat. That probably applies to multiple people you verbally assault. You have the safety of miles of distance and electronic communication and for that you should feel very lucky.

I’ll even admit and have admitted that you do know about some of the topics on which you speak. The problem is, so do others. Hell, most stuff you discuss my father told me many years ago. I will and do give you credit when due; but, you are not the source of all of this information. You invented none of this. Let’s use you and me as examples. Almost without exception, I have used almost every rifle, scope, camera, fly rod, etc., etc. which you have discussed in your musings. You can’t even come close to having used what I have. You can’t even come close to having seen what I have seen and done what I have done. If you knew half as much as I do then you would know twice as much as you actually do. Yet, to you, I am the window licker. It will be interesting to watch your smart ass reply to this with your “Laffin” and your “grins” and your “+P” while you and your minions giggle, like the school yard bully and his followers, all the while completely unaware that probably 99% of the members on this forum will just be shaking their heads at you as always. You are a pathetic human being who deserves and has both my sympathy and my utter disdain.

My apologies to all for the long post and the bragging contained therein. It is my intent to never brag again and to continue to allow Big Stick/Boxer/Larry continue on his holier than thou and demeaning ways.

For me, Larry's devolution from a helpful font of useful knowledge to his current propensity for rude rantings has been sad to watch.

If you compare the helpful posts and PMs of the Big Stick of a decade ago to the rude/boorish behavior he exhibits today, it seems obvious that something has happened in his life to cause such a dynamic change to his on-line personality. Some have speculated that the "IT" was the unexpected death of his Wife's Son, Kyle, in 2010, but Larry had been previously banned from 24HCF for his racist attack on Kamo Gari prior to Kyle's death, so I don't think that Kyle's death was the catalyst for Larry's change.

Larry sent this PM to me in 2003:

"Jeff,

I punched a 24" S/S 700 in 7-08 to 284Win and have the 22" 7SAUM to compare to them. The SAUM is 200fps faster in the 22" Model Seven tube,than the 284 wearing the 24" tube.

Of course those are not comprehensive results and only reveal the performance of but a coupla rifles against each other,though I believe it to be a fair assesment.

There was about a 350fps difference between the 24" 7-08 and the 22" SAUM. I AM a huge 7-08 fan,but the SAUM really is an excellent chambering for critters. For paper/play,I'd be content doing the 7-08 Thing,but given my druthers for Game,I'd opt the juice of the SAUM and would actually prefer it in the smaller/shorter Model Seven package(I really love mine,it is a superb little rifle).

All the chamberings you mention,are fabulous in my opinion and there isn't a poor choice in the lot. I'd just steer you to do what your cravings tell you and if you gotta do something different,do it. If not,rest easy that you is in great shape with the 7-08.

It is impossible for me to tell you with a straight face,that the 7-08 isn't superb and really crunches critters. How it does what it does,I can't explain. That being said,I see the SAUM as simply more of a good thing and that ain't bad.

I'm pretty sweet on the SAUM,if you couldn't tell but like them all a bunch............".

Helpful and friendly, right? Pretty hard to believe that this was written by the same person posting earlier in this tread, isn't it?

I feel sorry for Larry, as the devolution for his behavior seems so similar to the downward spiral of addiction that I have seen time and time again. I no longer read his posts, as I set a low threshold for rude behavior. Sympathy for the man, contempt for the behavior.

Or so it seems to me.

Jeff -

The PM you posted is the exact same flavor of response I received from him a few weeks ago regarding a Montucky in 7-08 and reloading for it.

No change.

Maybe it's more to do with how a guy gets asked these days?

Dunno.

I don't think I saved love notes from my wife... when she was my girlfriend in 2003. That is impressive to keep a PM so long.

I apologize for the commentary, and hate to divert the thread any more than it has. We went from scopes with good light transmission (per OP's posts)... to spotlighting from a rig... to personal messages from 2003. Requirements for spotlighting are not the same as low light scenarios. Yanks have been shooting critters in cornfields via spotlight with all manner of scopes. Pick one and run with it.

However, I am interested in being a part-time roo-shooter, so forgive me for sidetracking one more time. How do I sign up? Is there a serious need for shooters? It seems that there is a legit need for the meat market and not many Aussies willing to do it..

Just about anyone with a rifle can shoot Kangaroo's if you follow Government rules & regulations. But, of course, if there is little or no money to be made most shooters don't bother.

Like anything, if good money can be made everyone jumps on the bandwagon but if it's not worth the effort, forget it !
These days, I doudt anyone gets rich shooting Kangaroos.

'Sky,

BITCHIN' Hissy Fit! The Mascara stained tears and oozing Estrogen Levels frosted your Dumbfhuqkery in magnificent fashion. It's your Imagination,Pretend with it as you must. Congratulations?

No need to obliviously elaborate on how/why you are a Clueless Fhuqk,as such things go without saying. Just sayin'. Laughing!

I'll feign my "surprise" that you were/are unable to find me "mistaken".

What were the "odds"?!?

People who "know" and "do" as "much" as you,will always be served best by asking questions...rather than trying to give "answers". Hint.

You poor poor STUPID Fhuqk.

Wow +P++!........................















260Gal,

Oh my...you sad sack lying piece of fhuqking schit,didja' "forget" about your Imaginary Pretend Ignore again? Might be a touch embarrassing that after sucha' Proclamation,that your Trump Card is a PM you've had framed for posterity,for better than a decade. Laughing!

Like you don't hang on my every word?!?

I reckon I'm plum flattered...give or fhuqking take. You suck a mean ass.

I'm crying,I'm laughing sooooooooooo hard,you sappy Do Nothing Dumbfhuqk. Don't forget that you "can't read" this. Laughing!!!!

Kchuntfest 2015 is ROCKIN' and you are the Belle of the Ball!

Bless your heart.....................















teal,

I've ever not seen me happy to help and I've given away,more than most folks got.

Never was into Fluff or Dumbfhuqks...in no particular fhuqking order.............(grin)















4th,

If I schit in a ziploc,she'd buy it off Ebay.

I'd contest that glass is never equal,especially as light falls and becomes cast.

The splendor of a right proper illuminated reticle cain't be accurately conveyed via text,to them who've never been privvy...but once tasted,it's etched in stone and all luster is lost elsewhere.

Side by each comparisons,is never not intellesting................















'ngo,

Have a few pards that gunned 'Roo's for jingle and murdered other Vermin from the air Down Under,via rotary wing(drivers/shooters both).

Beings the profit margins were slim,topflight fodder wasn't the focus and glass of The Day,couldn't begin to compete with what is now available. Making due,is an issue MUCH separate from ringing the bell and Utilitarian glass that'll take a lick,offers huge erector swings with uncanny reliability and frost that with finite illumination,makes no concessions to the bottom line. Read that again. Now one more time.

In fairness,I've gunned every glass thus far mentioned...and many that ain't.

Hint........................

Never exchanged PMs with Big Stick/Boxer, but I have been known to bait him with something I don't even believe, such as the awesomness of the .257 Roberts simply because I know his response is going to be absolutely hilarious.


This is one I will be hanging on to...maybe even for 10 years! Awesome!

I've notified John Burns to lock this thread.

Why lock the thread? Deleting the offending posts would be a better idea. Or to put it a different way - a CLEANUP.

'man,

It is EPIC Do Nothing Dumbfhuqkery,to toss a teenage PM as quantification of how little one cares and to substantiate how serious one is,about their Imaginary Pretend Ignore.

All one needs to do is stand back and feed the Drooling Dumbfhuqks slack on the rope and watch the show.

Have never heard of a 257 Roberts,so that must be a cunningly set "trap". Mebbe grab some slack and expound.

Laughing!.............














'1,

She's in a Tanning Booth getting a paint job,with ear buds in listening to a never ending soundtrack loop that plays "Reupold 4.5-14x's are awesome...Reupold 4.5-14x's are awesome".

It's her Eye Of The Tiger mantra,that fuels her enthusiasm for kicking in outhouse doors and mag dumping their interiors,while screaming "Get some!".

The soundtrack of course being Proprietary.

Laughing!..................














'go,

How does one CLEANUP a buncha Stupid Fhuqkers talking out their asses? Your Imagination and it's Pretend,are offa the fhuqking charts. Less that,what would you Drooling Dumbfhuqks "have"?!? Laughing!

Bless your heart and your fhuqking EPIC Cluelessness.

You'd do well to shut the fhuqk up,take notes and apply same.

Hint..............

Big Stick you are real piece of work. Its actually funny to think that somebody has enough time throughout their day to spend coming up with such a "cleaver" use of the English language. I can only imagine the look on your face as you re-read your reply and are about to press submit. You must be a lonely lonely person up there in Alaska to average 7 post a day for 15 years, #pathetic. What is funny is that you actually get a thrill out of acting tough through a computer.

Thank you everybody that gave a reasonable answer. The 'Fire actually has some great info after you muddle through the crap. I'll be back asking for more information and contributing when I can.

I wouldn't do it for the money, but can see how it would be a tough sell.

go tears,

There ain't no slighting how amazingly WELL founded your insecurities are and it's a fhuqking hoot,that a Clueless Whining Dumbfhuqk goes from asking questions...to magically being granted the ability to give "answers".

A VERY wise man summed it up initially and with crystalline accuracy,as per always:

"You ain't gonna listen and that will be THE funniest fhuqking part."

As an aside,I ain't much fun to try and keep pace with and Window Licking STUPIDITY ain't a "contribution" there Toots,it's a plight.

Hint.

Here's to the hilarity of you doing your BEST and "thinking" it is something.

I'm fhuqking crying,I'm laughing sooooooooooooo hard.

Wow +P++!................















4th,

Illuminati arrive yet,or are you easing into it?

I'd not linger.

Hint....................(grin)

Negative on the SS 4x but I'm half tempted to put one on my Kimber 7-08, for research if nothing else. Seems like a good option for coastal timber. As you know, it can get really dark even with the sun still high in the sky. I have no experience with these other places, but I suspect it's a hell of a lot darker than a Kansas cornfield or outback at a similar hour, especially with no spotlight or Landrover.

Rifle basically flies on autopilot with the 4-9x MQ out to 500. Misses are rare unless the operator completely botches the shot. Thoughts on the 4x to 500 & 600? Been meaning to try the current scope set on 4x but I'm in archery mode for the rest of the year.

Have yet to see heavy vegetation bolster ambient lighting and have a hunch that weather prolly don't help either. Looking like a couple/few pards are going to throw in on a November To Remember and without doubt,all will be cutting Illuminati checks. All are driving MQ's already,for some fhuqking reason?!?

I'm at ease with the 4x to 1K and beyond.

Prolly should run some video,if only to rub Stupid Fhuqkers noses in their own Stupidity..................(grin)

Did I miss something?
Now about that scope....