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they'll declare them to no longer be a "brace" and just label them a buttstock. I'm sure they're working with their legal department right now to try to define what constitutes a stock vs. what's a spring tube vs. what's a "brace" (if they even allow a brace anymore).

2. I'll get some popcorn for the ensuing discrimination lawsuit from disabled people all over the country.

1. Im not sure how a brace, already declared brace, because it braces the gun, can become a stock overnight, unless it was designed to be fired form the shoulder, which a brace is not.

2. I'll get some popcorn for the ensuing discrimination lawsuit from disabled people all over the country.

My thought exactly. You beat me to it.

Well good luck with that suit, I'm sure you can follow it closely from your cell, or while out on bail.

Read the links I provided.

How many arrests have there been for safely using unaltered firearms at the range ... firearms unaltered from factory distribution and lawful retail sale, as a result of an ATF alteration in interpretation of law?

I don't know ...

Same here. Even if someone did, prove it was on my shoulder and not a 1/4in off. Find a LEO that cares and a DA that will prosecute a NOT law. I play the game as to not be a guinea pig but the ATFs opinion would stop me from using it how I see fit if the need should arise.

I can't say how it would be interpreted by the NFA. But I know of one instance where the ATF didn't play by the rules.

A fellow I know of on another forum built a semi-auto FN FAL. The trigger group was malfunctioning and it would occasionally double or triple.

ATF officer at the range arrested him for having an unlicensed machine gun even though it was plainly obvious that it contained none of the full auto parts and that the receiver wasn't machined to accept them.

A big attorney fee got him out of it after a day in court. But he got put through a significant process.

Ya'll can do as you please.

I believe the latest "clarification" by the ATF stated the words "used as intended" and specifically stated that if altered from its original intentions and fired from the shoulder becomes illegal as its now a defacto SBR.

I doubt anyone who observes you firing the gun will care but i wouldnt be posting pics so a rat can turn me in either.

TRR do you even own a pistol with an arm brace? Have you even read the ATF letter. You keep spewing that the ATF declared them legal for any use which as is usual from you is BS. They said and i again reiterate they are "legal for use as designed, firing from the shoulder makes it an SBR".

We all know your a kook but we atleast figured as a public educator you would take things on a whole and not pick and choose sections.

Please tell me how the ATF allowed them to be fired from the shoulder. Here the the original ATF classification for the brace that you fail to recognize:

In the classification letter of November 26, 2012, ATF noted that a “shooter would insert his or her forearm into the device while gripping the pistol’s handgrip-then tighten the Velcro straps for additional support and retention. Thus configured, the device provides the shooter with additional support of a firearm while it is still held and operated with one hand.” When strapped to the wrist and used as designed, it is clear the device does not allow the firearm to be fired from the shoulder. Therefore, ATF concluded that, pursuant to the information provided, “the device is not designed or intended to fire a weapon from the shoulder.” In making the classification ATF determined that the objective design characteristics of the stabilizing brace supported the stated intent. - See more at: http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/01/16/sig-brace-no-go-per-atf/#sthash.yjk8ImaP.dpuf

The most recent calrification of the rules:

“The pistol stabilizing brace was neither ‘designed’ nor approved to be used as a shoulder stock, and therefore use as a shoulder stock constitutes a ‘redesign’ of the device because a possessor has changed the very function of the item,” the January 17 ATF letter says. “Any individual letters stating otherwise are contrary to the plain language of the NFA, misapply Federal law, and are hereby revoked.”


So NOWHERE has the ATF EVER stated you could kegally shoulder fire a pistol wuth stabilizing brace sans tax stamp.

“Any person who intends to use a handgun stabilizing brace as a shoulder stock on a pistol … must first file an ATF Form 1 and pay the applicable tax because the resulting firearm will be subject to all provisions of the [National Firearms Act],”

Do us a favor and only comment on things you know like 1911's in the showers and imaginary gangsters chasing you.