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I guess we have too much religion out there!

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...m-oklahoma-capitol-grounds/?intcmp=hpbt3

Seperation of state and religion.. Constituion?

Anyone else besides this ol'dude noticed how much our country has changed for the better since prayer was removed from public schools in '63? I know I feel safer. Also don't have to worry about my great-grandkids future either.

The Constitution says nothing about a separation between church and state. It simply defines the limitations of influence placed on the state regarding religion, which is hands off. Nothing more.

The OK "state" Constitution clearly does define limitations on influence from religion.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ic-display-of-ten-commandments-monument/

I'd think the influence that parents have on their children outweighs the influence of 'school prayer' by about a zillion times.

More so does the influence of knowing that there is a higher being than mankind to be answered to for your actions. People/parents knew and respected that up until mankind started rebelling against such beliefs.

"Destroy the sense of obligation to a supreme being and you have robbed the child of one of the strongest incentives to an upright life."
Nathan C Schaeffer
State Superintendent of Public Instruction of Pa.
March 30,1916

Currently there are more than 20.000 gods out there. Probably in the tens of thousands.

Which "supreme beeing" should one adhear to?

If a 'public school' is able to destroy a child's "sense of obligation to a supreme being" by not having a prayer before the kids go eat in the school cafeteria...then the child's parents are much more to blame than the school is.
Children should learn their "sense of obligation to a supreme being" from their parents...instead of the parents relying on the public school system to do that for them. Kids are like plants in that...their goodness proceeds from the particular soil in which they grow. And that 'soil' should be provided by their parents...not the public schools.

Antlers, I disagree.

My wife and I have consistently taught our children morals, but all it has taken was a few amoral teachers to lead at least one of my kids in the wrong direction.

The key is consistency of teaching. I know the World isn't going to go our way, but what is taught in schools these days is actively amoral, or rather Secular Humanist.

That's true, and therefore the bigger problem is that most parents nowadays are losers. Ask any public school teacher.

Some parents wanna blame the teachers...and some teachers wanna blame the parents.

Regardless...I 'want' to be much more of an influence on my kids than a public school teacher is...and I take much more responsibility for how my kids are turning out (both good and bad) than I'm willing to say that a teacher (or anybody else) is responsible for that.

The buck stops with me. I am ultimately responsible. More than anybody else or anything else. I take that responsibility...and I'll own it.

Wasn't the removing of prayer that was the initial problem. Mr. Shaeffer warned against the negative influences of the public schools system. Remember this is from 1916.

"The duty of teaching religion belongs to the home,to the Sunday school,and to the church with its various agencies. Teachers in high schools and colleges have sometimes been known to go out of their way for the purpose of throwing doubt upon the religious faith of the pupil or the pupil's parents. A worse service can not be rendered by those who are engaged in education."

Yes, that attitude throws those kids under the bus.

Barry there are things parents can do to counter act teachers. First as parents we begin by choosing the school. All of my kids are in charter schools. As a parent I also pay attention to their school work and what they are learning, and discuss those things that may conflict with our values. At our school, one of the teachers was removed due to parents not appreciating what she was teaching.

Evolution?

The term Separation of Church and State is not in the Constitution. The term comes from a letter from T. Jefferson to the Danbury Baptist Association (Danbury, Connecticut). In the letter Jefferson stated that there was a Wall of Separation to prevent the state from interfering with religion. It never was about keeping Christians out of government. It was about keeping government from infringing on the rights of Christians. What that means is that when the term is used today, it means exactly the opposite of Jefferson's intent. The Danbury Baptists were being oppressed by the Puritan majority in Connecticut and asked Jefferson for relief.

And men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
JOHN 3:19

The legislature will address this shortcoming very soon, backed by the people who live in what is undoubtedly the most conservative state in the union. The judges in question will soon rue this too....

So you don't believe judges should actually apply the Constitution?

Do you just believe that for state Constitution, or do also feel that way about the U.S. Constitution.