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Winchester Fwt 70 SS Winlite (factory Mcmillan) in 30-06. I'm new to handloading but I've tried a few loads from 55-57 gr with IMR-4350 and 48-50 gr of Varget, varying seating depths. Varget seems to be the best I've tried so far with 49 gr printing 1.2". Factory Rem Core lokts went at 0.72" so I know this gun is capable. I want to load for this rifle if for no reason than convenience.

Should I be looking at swapping primers or trying a different powder. I have a good supply of these 165s so I'd prefer to stick with them. What other powders should I try? I currently load for 223, 243, 257 Bob and 30-06. I'd like to keep my powders on hand to a minimum.


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It ain't fast but 62grs of H4831 is very accurate from my 30/06's.


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un, when I worked up the loads for my old 06, I just got fair groups with both 150's and 165's.. What made my rifle a good shooter was a switch from cci 200's to cci-250's.. Hope it works for you, it sure did for me..


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Originally Posted by WyoCoyoteHunter
un, when I worked up the loads for my old 06, I just got fair groups with both 150's and 165's.. What made my rifle a good shooter was a switch from cci 200's to cci-250's.. Hope it works for you, it sure did for me..


I've tried the BR2s and 200s. May have to find some 250s to try...thanks. So many variables to try!



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Try some Nosler BT's instead. Those Speer bullets will never group well.


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Originally Posted by UNCCGrad
Winchester Fwt 70 SS Winlite (factory Mcmillan) in 30-06. I'm new to handloading but I've tried a few loads from 55-57 gr with IMR-4350 and 48-50 gr of Varget, varying seating depths. Varget seems to be the best I've tried so far with 49 gr printing 1.2". Factory Rem Core lokts went at 0.72" so I know this gun is capable. I want to load for this rifle if for no reason than convenience.

Should I be looking at swapping primers or trying a different powder. I have a good supply of these 165s so I'd prefer to stick with them. What other powders should I try? I currently load for 223, 243, 257 Bob and 30-06. I'd like to keep my powders on hand to a minimum.



Sometime the Speer BT's just will not shoot in a particular rifle. Actually, it's pretty common. I've had much better luck with flat based Speer bullets.

Try a different bullet. I'd try the 165 Nosler Ballistic tips and/or the 165gr Sierra game king HP's. I'd back them with H4350 and CCI 200 primers.


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I have good results with IMR-4064. Groups withi it are about the same as those with IMR-4350 in my .30-06. My .30-06 shoots Speer BTSP very well bit it shoots 165 grain Sierra Gamekings just a smidgen better.

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H414! 4350 has been a loser for me. I really wanted to like the powder but H414 has worked for me in the 30.06 as well as other cartridges.

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I would also agree with Antelope Sniper.. Never had many Speers that were real accurate, unless they were flat base..
My 165 was the one he mentioned the HPBT.. A deadly bullet we have killed everything from chucks to moose with it..

As far as I 4350 it has been excellent for me for more than 50 years!!! Works in everything from my old .22-250 to my .375 H @ H...


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4350 seems like a very solid choice for a 165 in an '06. Guys have been shooting that combo--successfully--for decades (me included).


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+1 for IMR4064 and 165gr. bullets in the .30-06, I gave up shooting heavier bullets in my .30 cals. long ago with no regrets for having done so.

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UNCC- 49.5, 50.0 , 50.5 varget. 210m primer or Br-2. lapua brass. 1- 167 scenar, 2- 168 berger, 168 ballistic silver tip, 165 sierra or horn or nosler, , 168 hornady hp. load them .030 off the lands. ..... or 155 scenar or 155 berger and I4064 or varget.

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My go to is 49-grs Varget and 165 NP. Never could get anywhere close in accuracy with 4350 of either flavor.


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my go to load for over 25 30/06s has been 58.8grs IMR-4350, WLR or 210M, Sierra 165 bthp, Nosler 165BT or Berger 168gr VLD hunting. Rick.

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You may also try the Hornady Intelock flat base. I have never found a rifle yet that will not shoot them well.


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I have one rifle that likes the Speer BTSP, but they are loaded into the lands. I was trying them out because I had some old-stock lying around. Now they're one of my favorite bullets at medium speeds.


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I used 56.0 gr. W760, WLR primer, WW brass and the 165 gr. Nosler Accubond to take a nice cow elk Jan. 13 of this year with my 30-06. Load averages .80" at 100 yards.
You might want to give that one a try.
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UNCCgrad,

You might also check the straightness of the bullet-seating in your handloads. That can make a big difference, and is often why factory loads shoot better than handloaders: Factory brass is right out of their forming die, which means the neck is straight. Standard loading dies often pull the neck a little out of alignment when it passes over the expander ball.

You don't need a fancy tool to check bullet alignment. Just roll your rounds over a hard, flat surface. If you can see the bullet tip "wobble" as one rolls, the bullet isn't aligned very well with the case body.

A final check is shooting a couple of groups with "wobble-free' loads, and then a couple wit the ones that wobble.


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I checked my max OAL to the lands using the split case method. I got an average of 3.369", however most manuals call for 3.300 as max length. As long as my magazine will allow, what's a good distance from the lands to start? I'm not comfortable loading anything into the lands. Right now I don't have a chrono so I'm loading for accuracy.

I checked concintrictiy of my handloads and didn't see any variance with the naked eye.

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.010-.015" off the lands is a good place to start.

Never got the best accuracy out of Speer BT bullets..........for almost any new rifle, for load testing & accuracy trials, I almost always start with Nosler BT's.

They are very dependable, accuracy wise, & cheap enough to consume a few or more, for testing.

Rarely doesn't work...........assuming all else is good.

4350 (either flavor) is a very reliable starting powder for an '06, but Varget is also. So likely you are Ok with either of those until you can ID something else.

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