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No winners. Lots of sadness and ill feelings to go around. Hate this.


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Sad deal all around. Prayers for the family.


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Originally Posted by Mackay_Sagebrush
I very highly doubt the rancher was killed "over a wounded bull".

More likely than not, a person pointed a rifle at the Deputies.

What led up to the altercation is what is the question.

Understandably a livestock owner does not want to lose a large investment.

Also understandably, a Deputy does not want to have another collision, or someone get gored, or trampled by an injured/mad bull, and views public safety issues as more important than property loss.

Neither view point is wrong, but sometimes (especially when in the heat of the moment) people cannot come to an agreement, and bad things occur.



Remember,this happened in rural Idaho.

99% of the rural deputies I know don't even raise an eyebrow when a rancher shows up with a hunting rifle to put a vehicle struck animal down.

Heck, I have witnessed a couple times where a cattleman has asked an LEO to borrow their rifle to put the animal down.

While it was a HUGE policy violation, the cattleman was handed a rifle, the animal was dispatched, and the gun went back in the rack.

Condolences for all involved.


Mackay,

Thanks for a good post and presenting as clear a picture as any of us are likely to have. Bad deal all around. It doesn't even have to be all that rural of Idaho for LEs to expect folks to be showing up with or possessing firearms of one sort or another. Some might consider this akin to stepping back in time when guns were on school busses or in the gun racks of pickups in school parking lots, but it's still a way of life around here.

I'd not even conjecture who was right or wrong in this scenario, I'd just guess things got heated and out of hand. I know there are many on here who have this type of direct experience. I've only come real close one time, and that's enough for me.

PS - for those who don't know Idaho and other places in the West are still open range and it's common to encounter livestock on rural roads.

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Originally Posted by dennisinaz
It probably went like this: "What, you aren't shooting my prize bull". "Sir, your bull is attacking people and is dangerous, we are going to have to put him down". As he raises his rifle to the deputies, "Over my dead body" and they obliged him.
That's a lot of speculation. I've lived in cattle country almost all my life and have put animals down myself. I can't imagine very many ranchers thinking twice about putting a "prize bull" down that was hurting folks. He'd have to be quite the [bleep]. And to do a little speculating of my own, his wife probably wouldn't be surprised into a heart attack if the old clown showed up dead and he'd been that much of an [bleep]. She'd more than likely fall over and break a hip from dancing a jig that the [bleep] was dead.

At this point, there's just no telling what happened. Maybe it was all accidental. I can't imagine too many rural Idahoans getting crazy at the sight of a gun-LE included.

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but I don't see a bright future in law enforcement around
council for the two LEO's involved. Small town is small town, and people have long memories.


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I've lived in cattle country almost all my life and have put animals down myself. I can't imagine very many ranchers thinking twice about putting a "prize bull" down that was hurting folks. He'd have to be quite the [bleep]. And to do a little speculating of my own, his wife probably wouldn't be surprised into a heart attack if the old clown showed up dead and he'd been that much of an [bleep]. She'd more than likely fall over and break a hip from dancing a jig that the [bleep] was dead.


Another good synopsis.


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When I was a kid we had a dog catcher scandal where it was found that many of the hired hands just enjoyed beating the dogs to death with a length of rebar rather than the usual gassing them to death. At some point in time I formed an opinion that some types of personalities need to be weeded out from certain jobs. I remain convinced that every police officer should have to take a psychological evaluation twice a year to see what frame of mind they are in, officers who develop anger issues, psychopathic issues, sociopaths behavior should be removed from the force. There are many many more good police officers in this country but there are indeed a good number of egocentric little gods with a gun.


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It's pretty hard to develop such a test Jimmy. Most people can figure out right away what is being looked for and how to answer in order to fit the desired profile and eschew the undesirable traits.

Psychopaths/Sociopaths are usually continually amazed that it is so easy to put people on. If you ever get the chance, watch the movie American Psycho.

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Originally Posted by wildbill59
Sure seems like cops are killing a lot more people than say 10-20 years ago. What up with that?
I read a statistic recently that cops in the US kill more Americans in a few months than have all the cops in Great Britain killed Brits in the last one hundred years. Can't vouch for its accuracy, though.

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Found a couple of citations which seem to support what I had read.

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We are living in a world where every local incident is national news. Twenty years ago you wouldnt even have heard about many of these things if you lived one county over. People do seen more braisen toward LEO and LEO does seem more on alert and rightly so. I agree more to this story.


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Originally Posted by wildbill59
Sure seems like cops are killing a lot more people than say 10-20 years ago. What up with that?


Prove the percentages. Or is it that media loves hyping things and we get our news instantly....all over the world...


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Everybody sure flies off the handle without even knowing what really happened. Sheesh!


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Originally Posted by BarryC
Everybody sure flies off the handle without even knowing what really happened. Sheesh!


What fun are the facts?

Conjecture is better.

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Originally Posted by BarryC
Everybody sure flies off the handle without even knowing what really happened. Sheesh!


You've got that right.

But I think it's very likely that the root cause of the shooting was EGO on the part of one or more of the Combatants.

Maybe all three.


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Maybe somebody tripped with a loaded weapon.

You can't tell from the (probably purposely) opaque reports.


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Originally Posted by rost495
Originally Posted by wildbill59
Sure seems like cops are killing a lot more people than say 10-20 years ago. What up with that?


Prove the percentages. Or is it that media loves hyping things and we get our news instantly....all over the world...
I posted citations above. Seems pretty undeniable.

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