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The one's that I can acquire, and that shoot reasonably well. 😁
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Nothing newish whatsoever, in rifles holds any interest for me in the last 20 years. I have however, been playing with a S&W 500 for the last 12 years and finding that interesting. Will be using it, which means carrying it, for white tail over the next few weeks. John
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I like the looks of the 6.5 Creedmoor, and the 204 Ruger.
Honestly though, I think the advances in bullets, powder, rangefinders, and scopes have made more of a leap in the state of things, than the newer chamberings.
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I'll go with the 480 Ruger. A handgun cartridge that offers 30% more frontal area and bullet weight than the 44 mag in a factory revolver that is still packable and shootable by mortals w/o resorting to a muzzle break.
Can't think of a rifle cartridge developed in the past 20 years that can do something that hasn't been done by those in the prior 50 years.
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Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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I think that's the best of the WSM's and it's all but gone from any production rifle chambering line-up. Tough to find brass for them too.
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Irving_D: The best centerfire cartridge to come along in MANY decades is the 204 Ruger! The best rimfire cartridge to come along in MANY decades is of course the 17 HMR! Indeed the 22 Magnum is in steep decline. I share your enthusiasm for the 17 HMR and seldom ever take out any of my various 22 Rimfire Magnum Rifles and pistols. As far as I am concerned the 17 HMR has indeed COMPLETELY replaced the 22 Magnum. Long live the 204 Ruger and the 17 HMR. Hold into the wind VarmintGuy
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AussieGunWriter: For you (or anyone else!) to overlook the amazing 204 Ruger makes me completely call into question why you would describe yourself (in your nom de plume) as a "gun writer". Take another look at the amazing performance, accuracy and lethality inherent in the 204 Ruger! Sheesh. Hold into the wind VarmintGuy
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I don't own one, haven't spent time with one, and and I'm not arguing that it's the best, but the 17WSM is an interesting round. Several have mentioned the 17HMR and I had a lot of fun with it for a while. The 17WSM looks like it could be a lot of fun.
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Not sure if it fits into the last 20 years bracket or not, but I really like the 6.8 spc.
I got banned on another web site for a debate that happened on this site. That's a first
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I don't own one, haven't spent time with one, and and I'm not arguing that it's the best, but the 17WSM is an interesting round. Several have mentioned the 17HMR and I had a lot of fun with it for a while. The 17WSM looks like it could be a lot of fun. The 17 WSM totally outclasses the 17 HMR. I still use and like the 22 mag and will never replace it with a HMR. Now the WSM does have my interest.
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AussieGunWriter: For you (or anyone else!) to overlook the amazing 204 Ruger makes me completely call into question why you would describe yourself (in your nom de plume) as a "gun writer". Take another look at the amazing performance, accuracy and lethality inherent in the 204 Ruger! Sheesh. Hold into the wind VarmintGuy Most of us here on the fire are in awe you don't refer to yourself as El Douche Bag. Sheesh.
Screw you! I'm voting for Trump again!
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Yeah, the .22 Magnum isn't going anywhere, though there's no doubt the .17 HMR has cut into its market. But the .22 Magnum ise very useful for some tasks the .17 HMR just doesn't do as well. It's much like the difference between the .25-06 and .30-06: Same case but with a vast difference in possible bullet weights and field performance.
But the .17 HMR did provide an entirely different kind of performance than the .22 Magnum. Probably some 5mm Remington fans will argue "their" round did it earlier, but the original Remington 5mm factory load wasn't much different than the .22 Magnum's, which is why the 5mm went tits-up.
Most of the cartridges mentioned so far simply reproduce the ballistics of much older cartridges, but in a shorter package to fit in shorter magazines. The .300 WSM doesn't do anything the .300 H&H won't do, and the same applies to the 6.5 Creedmoor and .260 Remington when comparing them to the 6.5x55, or 7mm-08 and 7x57. That's not revolutionary, just a realistic rearrangement of case shape to conform to modern bolt action magazines.
The .300 Blackout is pretty much exactly the .300 Whisper, which J.D. Jones developed more than 20 years ago. The .204 is interesting, but .20-caliber wildcats on the .223 case have been around much longer than 20 years. John, My thoughts are so many shooters who are now 17HMR owners would have not bought a 22 magnum. A entirely new market was created by a new magnum rimfire that utterly failed years earlier with Remingtons 5MM magnum. Marketing a better mouse trap and market timing with more ammo options and more importantly more rifle options led to the 17HMR success. Doc
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Every time I toggle a post of his I'm reminded of why I have him on ignore. I don't have a rifle chambered in anything 60 yrs old or younger but the Creedmoor & 17 HMR are very interesting to me. And anybody who writes about guns is a gun writer... Even Varmintsousche
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I just bought a .45/70, when did it come out?
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jwp,
It will be interesting to see how the .17 WSM does in the long run compared to the .17 HMR, but I've shot both and no, the WSM doesn't totally outclass the HMR. On warm summer days (when much .17 HMR shooting takes place) the standard .17 HMR load with 17-grain bullets at 2550 fps usually gets 2600-2700, and the new .17 HMR load for the Savage autoloader gets about 100 fps more. Have chronographed a couple brands of .17 WSM ammo, and one only got 2900 with a 20-grain under similar conditions, though the other did get the advertised 3000.
The other factor is that the .17 HMR immediately appeared in a bunch of affordable rifles, and almost all shot very accurately. The most affordable .17 WSM rifle is hit-and-miss, literally, and most others cost more than the average hunter wants to pay.
The .17 HMR definitely outclasses the .22 Magnum on small varmints, because it’s normally more accurate, drifts less in the wind, and shoots flatter—and these days the ammo is also far more available. I suspect the .22 Magnum is being turned into a niche cartridge for larger varmints, and the .17 WSM will take a big bite out of it at that end too. There are too many .22 Magnum rifles and handguns out there for the round to ever become obsolete, but it’s niche has definitely been invaded by the .17 HMR and WSM.
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jwp,
It will be interesting to see how the .17 WSM does in the long run compared to the .17 HMR, but I've shot both and no, the WSM doesn't totally outclass the HMR. On warm summer days (when much .17 HMR shooting takes place) the standard .17 HMR load with 17-grain bullets at 2550 fps usually gets 2600-2700, and the new .17 HMR load for the Savage autoloader gets about 100 fps more. Have chronographed a couple brands of .17 WSM ammo, and one only got 2900 with a 20-grain under similar conditions, though the other did get the advertised 3000.
The other factor is that the .17 HMR immediately appeared in a bunch of affordable rifles, and almost all shot very accurately. The most affordable .17 WSM rifle is hit-and-miss, literally, and most others cost more than the average hunter wants to pay.
The .17 HMR definitely outclasses the .22 Magnum on small varmints, because it’s normally more accurate, drifts less in the wind, and shoots flatter—and these days the ammo is also far more available. I suspect the .22 Magnum is being turned into a niche cartridge for larger varmints, and the .17 WSM will take a big bite out of it at that end too. There are too many .22 Magnum rifles and handguns out there for the round to ever become obsolete, but it’s niche has definitely been invaded by the .17 HMR and WSM. Just looking at the ballistics the WSM is faster with a 20 grain bullet than the HMR is with a 17 grain bullet. That is out classed ballisticly in my mind, but I have only compaired them on paper and cannot commit about accuracy or performance verses each other and bow to your first hand experience.
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7x57 Mauser, of course! Oh, I thought y'all mean't in the last 120 years! Seriously, though, I've got to go with the 17 HMR for rifles, and the .480 Ruger for handguns.
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Whats the best cartridge developed in last 20 years 280 Rem, followed closely by the 270 Win, 30-06 & the 22LR MM
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260 Remington for me........ I agree. My little Model 7 is 6.5 x 54mm in new clothes. I have at least 5 friends who would Shout .204 Ruger.
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