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We had no problems killing native born folks 150 years ago.

Not letting more in and kicking out the non-citizens is the best approach.

Just like a school shooter, you can't stop them all without giving up every freedom, so when they show their ass you kill them.

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The Constitution does makes exceptions for time of war, on the rights of its citizens...

many of these Muslims are NOT citizens... therefore "rights" don't apply to them under the constitution...

and the ones that are citizens and are born here.. lets not forget, the exceptions during time of war.. and also Congress exists with the power to change our constitution and laws, either for temporary on permanently...

contrary to what liberals think, we are actually at war with these people... if we haven't declared it on them, they have certainly declared it on us and ALL Western Christian Nations...

and just like these people use or weaknesses against us, we should exploit some of theirs against them...such as their fear of pork....each terrorist killed is done so with an instrument soaked in Pig's blood.. each one jailed shares a pen with a hog...

as far as air strikes...crop dust their locations with Swine's Blood...

these people only understand that you have and are willing to use quicker a hammer bigger than their hammer...

liberals give them no reason to fear our society.. that is what fundamentally needs to change ASAP...

even terrorists that blow themselves up like those that did in Paris... they still have remains all over the place... pour pig's blood on that and film and youtube it...

show NO religious respect for the bodies of ISIS members or dead terrorists...have the backbone to become their worst nightmare...

its about survival, and the stupid liberals don't understand, every inch you give these people they'll take a mile....

liberals are as big of a part of the problem as the Terrorists and ISIS themselves are...

It is not Muslims with whom we are at war, but radical Islamists, who include even some of our own citizens.

Thanks for reposting that DeerWhacker. Folks need to see that.

That dance floor pic doesn't mean Schitt....

what they need to be posting, is the bodies of those that were blown up when these terrorists detonate their bombs, or the bodies of the many that were cut down by AK47s....

Tank you, but I hope Pete doesn't think I'm picking on him because he's certainly not alone. That thought process seems to be predominate these days. It's straight out of Rules For Radicals.

We either deal with the problem in an adult manner or we become an amoral, repressive police state in order to keep the various minorities from attempting to destroy each other.

Until you are no longer useful or tolerated then its OK just to kill you.

Not to hijack Ed's reply, but there are some things we could do without the major and fundamental policy change I outline in the OP.

The simple formula is you simply enforce the laws on the books.

First, If an immigrant is arrested and convicted of a crime, his immigration status is revoked and he is deported. If he's a citizen, you watch him and his associates to make sure he doesn't get "radicalized".

Second, you root out the people and organizations leading the "radicalization". This means you enforce the Hate Speech laws. If a Muslim cleric announces in the mosque that he supports jihad, that's Hate Speech, and you charge him with the crime and prosecute him to the fullest extent of the law, and you warn the elders (or whatever they are in that insane cult) that if it occurs again, the IRS will revoke their 501(c) tax-free status on the grounds that they are a political organization rather than a religious one, and then hit them with back taxes to the date of their foundation and force them to shut down due to bankruptcy. This will eliminate the greenhouse in which new radicals are seeded and nurtured. You apply the same laws to the people who preach radicalism in their homes or on the street. Arrest, prosecution, deportation.

Third, you institute Immigration Reform. Republicans and conservatives in general seem to hate this term for irrational reasons (mostly because they hate Mexicans, it seems) despite the fact that it is manifestly obvious that our immigration system needs to be revamped, but they're gonna have to grow up and put on their big girl panties and deal with this. Effective immigration law could put an end to the importation of unskilled Islamists, Mexicans, and any and all other undesirables while encouraging people with skills, education, and work ethic. Since most Islamist terrorists appear to be unemployed and unemployable at best, that would cut off the flow into America.

Simple. But government won't do it, so we're more likely to see the establishment of a brutal police state, as BarryC has pointed out as one of the choices we face.

One justified criticism of the democrats in general, Obama in particular, was their insistence on waging the "war on terror" as a criminal matter, which resulted in crippling ROE for our troops.

Now that we have substantial numbers of committed terrorists living here in our country, it may be appropriate to view it as a criminal problem and leave solutions up to the various states.

New state laws appropriate to the situation could be rushed thru the different State Legislatures and signed by the Governors. It might require amending the State Constitutions in some instances but that process is easily done at the State level.

Of course there would be challenges to any laws deemed unfriendly toward Gov't pets, like muslims, but solutions could be applied while the challenges work their way upward thru our legal system.

For instance, Texas could declare the religion of islam an ongoing criminal enterprise and prohibit their assemblies and destroy their meeting places [mosques].

By the time the law was found to be unconstitutional, the mosques would be destroyed.

All stays or injunctions issued by Federal Courts could be ignored by Law Enforcement.

I only use Texas as one example. For the strategy to work, it would take at least a dozen states working simultaneously.

I"m always amazed that it seems to many, that to respond in kind, is never the politically correct thing to do, and that we should give a flip about politically correct anyway....

How Should the West Deal with Islam?

There are already laws on the books to prosecute such a person under RICO statutes and under treason laws that are well within the Constitution. It just takes a DOJ and a local US Attorney with balls to do it.

Conspiracy charges are the quickest, most effective way to grab folks such as this animal as the PC is much easier to prove without an actual attack. Used with the existing laws on the books regarding enemy agents, enemy combatants, and other laws used extensively during WWII, it can be done.

The other side to that double-edged sword is that it can be used against legitimate dissenters within our ranks.

While Justice is blind, and the law is written in black and white, the world is a billion shades of gray and interpreting the Constitution as it was written has become unfashionable.

As was mentioned earlier, what really needs to happen is an Islamic Reformation. It is, and has been, a subject within the Muslim community for some time, and I believe that the rise of ISIS will trigger it. Here is an article I received this morning;

Ijtihad

I wasn't aware of the work of Ustadh Mahmoud Mohamed Taha (see article) before today, but it sounds as if an Islamic Reformation is not a new idea.

To my mind, in addition to Christians trying to convert Muslims, we need to be printing and smuggling Taha's books (and others like them)into Muslim countries as fast and hard as we can.

To satisfy my personal beliefs and needs, I think we should treat the events in the M.E. as a war that has been brought to us and fight it like a war is fought. There is no such thing as "collateral damage" in war. The enemy we have before us have no use for our contrived political correctness involving civilians as shields and we should not allow them the luxury of any safe refuge. Take the fight to them, wherever they are and show them the same mercy they show us.

Right now, we are hampered by a POTUS who is a Muslim to his core and a complete Marxist. The Alinsky playbook is becoming reality right before our eyes. The playbook says that chaos must be created (never pass up a crisis) in order for the utopian socialist/communist state can be created and that is exactly what he and his co-conspirators are doing at every opportunity whether they create the crisis or it is created by an outside entity or event.

Ed

Oh come on, you KNOW California is on her back, legs spread WIDE open, ready for thousands of refugees.