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jorgeI,

In other words you are caught with no defence.

All you need to do is try it a few times.

I would just like to see how one can factually explain the difference between three shot groups shot three times at different targets and one ten shot group at the SAME target, but allowing cooling time between each three shot session, or maybe two five shot groups, but I have to tell you and you probably know this, if you are shooting overbore, a three shot group is about all you can do before the barrel gets way too hot.

As to Ringman, "caught at what'? that said, I'm sorry your reading comprehension is that of a single-celled amoeba, in an oxygen starved petri dish...

Try the empirical route.

As I began to shoot a lot more the last few years I moved from the camp you're in to the one I'm in now.

I can only suggest that you try it....

When you don't have an argument use ad hominem. Works every time.

Math: While I have no doubt your method is far more scientific (and precise than mine), I see no redeeming social value in shooting ten shot groups at a clip (even with cooling) when my established process has met my goals, modest as they might be, but it works for me.

Bud Gills,

Congrats on your purchase. It's always nice when things work out the way you hoped.

Ad hominem? (did you google that?) as in your OP to me.

That said, sn argument to what, that there is ZERO evidence that shoot-clean-shoot has ANY effect on rifle accuracy? For chrissakes you're obtuse.

I'll do what the mood strikes me,sometimes sitting there and grinding out a 6-10 shot group(certainly not every time. I only do something like that with a brand new rifle or load). But it doesn't take too much of this to get a handle on the measure of a rifles accuracy potential with a given load at that distance.

And sitting at 100 yards grinding out groups(whether 3 shots or 10) only tells you so much,as it pertains to hunting. It doesn't qualify as "practice" IMO except for trigger pulling. Of far more value to me are series of 3 shot groups at 300-600 yards. The faster I get off 100 yards with a rifle and load the happier I am.

Mostly because at any reasonable hunting distances,if you have to reach deeper than 3 shots the wheels have fallen off and you got other problems.

If it ( and you) do well at those distances, how it does at 100 yards becomes essentially irrelevant. If you aren't going to miss at 300-600,you certainly aren't going to miss at 100......or shouldn't.

This is from a hunting standpoint. These aren't target rifles we're shooting.

Precisely, but Ringdick, in his infinite "wisdom" not only can't comprehend, but decided to be a rectal orifice with his first post.

I guess I wasn't very clear in my post, all I was doing was breaking in the barrel cleaning after every shot, letting the gun cool down as I had six other rifles to shoot and the temp was 40 deg.
Every shot was made at the same aiming point on the same target so as not to waste targets, I was not trying to make a bragging group so I could come here and gloat.
I break in every new barrel whether anyone agrees or not.... why because its my nickel, if you want to do otherwise with your rifles have at 'er..
I did not post to start a fight over the pros and cons of barrel break-in..

I don't shoot them all the time either. With my sporters if I can consistently bust clay birds with a 6x scope out to whatever distance I want I'm good with it.

Bud, I think most of us knew that...

We just like to obsess over tiny nuances. Not just rifle groups...just about anything will do

jorgeI,



I actually took some lessons in laws of logic. That's where I learned about it. You are guilty.



I agree with you.



See response above.

Used three shot groups and no barrel break-in on this rifle. Seemed to do ok.

Winchester M 70 Featherweight 7x57 Mauser and a old 4x Weaver.

El bingo. A little messkin' lingo mixrd in...

Let me give it a whirl by asking you to conduct an experiment next time you shoot. Take three identical targets, each with a three-shot group and all with the same aiming point. Take the average group size of those three.

Next, lay those targets on top of each other so that all nine holes (I'll spot you the tenth) can be seen. You might have to use one target as a base and then lay each of the others on it individually and mark the hole locations on the base target with a sharpie. Now measure that group size and see how it compares with your first average. I bet there's a significant difference.

You can fling enough 3 shot groups to luck into a .5 group, and then claim you finally shot as good as your rifle, etc.... 5, or better yet 10 shot groups will tell you exactly the health of your rifle, bedding, load, optic, and mounts.

That's the only reason I shoot groups.. to make sure everything is doing what it's supposed to do.