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Anybody have one of these? These look like a lot of rifle for the money. I have been away for sometime and just recently got back on line but I have not seen this rifle mentioned lately. For the money, these would appear to be in the neighborhood of a Montana or Alpine.

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Wouldn't touch one with a 30 foot pole. Do a search - been hashed out here a lot.


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I handled one at a local store. Felt and looked like a heck of a rifle. Was really tempted with it, but the remarks I've read here made me hesitant

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I bought an LAW Professional in 28 Nosler and I could not be happier with it.
Quality of workmanship fit and finish are excellent and the Bansner stock fits me like a glove.
First trip to the range was strictly clean and fire after every round, the rifle put 10 rds. into a 1.2" group so the potential is there for serious load work.
Thankfully for once I did not listen to the criticism...

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Why on EARTH would you want to clean after every round, and 1.2" isn't anything to crow about. Not in a bolt action rifle anyway.


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Originally Posted by jorgeI
Why on EARTH would you want to clean after every round, and 1.2" isn't anything to crow about. Not in a bolt action rifle anyway.


How well does your absolute best rifle group 10 rounds jorgeI?

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Not bad for a boomer and a 10 shot group. I'd LOVE to see the 10 shot groups to back up all the "1 ragged hole" claims you see on the internet.

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Yeah, 10 rounds is a whole nutter critter.


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The best I've done with anything bigger than a 223 is a ten round, half MOA group from a 308, a Rem 40X.

Ten into about an inch from a sporter is pretty darn good.

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Originally Posted by Steelhead
Yeah, 10 rounds is a whole nutter critter.


This.


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Originally Posted by mathman
Ten into about an inch from a sporter is pretty darn good.


Even more so, considering this was the first and only load that had been fed to the rifle for break-in purposes, cleaning between each shot. Most people on the forum would be dancing in their Underoos if their rifles did that well right out of the box.

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Originally Posted by JCMCUBIC
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Why on EARTH would you want to clean after every round, and 1.2" isn't anything to crow about. Not in a bolt action rifle anyway.


How well does your absolute best rifle group 10 rounds jorgeI?


How is that relevant to the shoot-clean-shoot question?

As to ten shot groups, it depends on the protocol I would think. Ten shots in a row I can tell you I would never do, now three, three shot groups, allowing to cool between each is something I have done and in that case, probably under half MOA.


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All on the same target?

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I'd like to see a picture of the 1.2" 10 shot group from a 28 Nosler. What bullet?

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Originally Posted by jorgeI
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Why on EARTH would you want to clean after every round, and 1.2" isn't anything to crow about. Not in a bolt action rifle anyway.


How well does your absolute best rifle group 10 rounds jorgeI?


How is that relevant to the shoot-clean-shoot question?

As to ten shot groups, it depends on the protocol I would think. Ten shots in a row I can tell you I would never do, now three, three shot groups, allowing to cool between each is something I have done and in that case, probably under half MOA.


It is of no relevance to your shoot-clean-shoot question.

Use any protocol you'd like at 100 yards, letting it cool will help. Just 10 shots at 100 yards on the same target. A 10 shot group under 1/2 MOA is quite impressive from a hunting rifle.

Doing it with a clean barrel, essentially 10 cold bore shots, is a twist on it if you must tie the shoot-clean-shoot in.....

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I think we are talking different issues. My "tie-in" was not to an accuracy test, but in reference (or so I thought) to barrel-break in, which in my opinion, is nonsense.

As to the accuracy protocol, I cannot say I've ever shot TEN shots for an accuracy test for t reasons specified. For load development, if I get consistent accuracy with say three or four independent three shot groups (using identical but fresh targets for each group)and realistic velocities through a chrono, then the rifle and load have satisfied my parameters for what I expect out of a hunting rifle. And if and when I decide to take a rifle on a hunt, depending on the animal and distances, I will take it out to two hundred and all the way out to 370 yards, which is the limit of my place. That said, I'm sure someone (mathman) will chime in to tell me there is a difference between shooting ten shots at one target or three, three shot groups at three different targets..

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Originally Posted by jorgeI
That said, I'm sure someone (mathman) will chime in to tell me there is a difference between shooting ten shots at one target or three, three shot groups at three different targets..


With all due respect, there is a HUGE difference. Look what happens to group sizes when magazine writers (like John) go from three to five-shot groups to test rifles. Now double that.

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Yep, I'm with you on the shoot-clean stuff. If someone else likes it then they are welcome to do it.

Your comment on the group size is what caught my attention, specifically in regard to the 10 round group. A 10 round group is a different animal in practice.

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