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Condolances about your friend. But glad you both enjoyed lives and love and companionship. Last dog my famm had was an Australian Sheperd. She got cancer at 8-1/2 years. Have missed her tremendously.


Are German Wirehaired Pointers any good?

How do GWP's compare to Griffons? And Draathars? THANKS!

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They're a typical German breed...hard-headed but not difficult to train, and they are a reasonably intelligent breed.


Griffs are NOT a German breed, they're Dutch. The best Griff couldn't compare to the worst Drathaar.


BULLSCHIDT!

The breeder was a Dutchman who developed the breed over a twenty year period in GERMANY! They were further developed as a breed in Germany, France and The Netherlands.

I've had Drats, also, and they were no better or worse than the Griffons.


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Eduard Korthals was Dutch and while I'm fully aware he had a kennel in Germany for 20 years you'll get VERY few Germans to agree or acknowledge that a Griffon is a German pointing breed.

I've ran Deutsch Kurzhaars and Drathaars in German hunt tests over the years and have witnessed many more in multiple states. I have never seen a Griffon entered in a German hunt test.

I've seen and judged Griffons in NAVHDA and AKC hunting tests. From my observations of the breed they are not a "typical" German pointing breed. IMO most Griffs lack drive and style and have softer temperaments compared to several of the German pointing breeds, especially in comparrison to most lines of Kurzhaars, Drathaars and Pudelpointers.

To me Griffs are a perfect breed for older folks who aren't hard hunters, dont care much about style, and don't demand much from a dog. Some folks like VW Beetles and some prefer Porsches. I prefer the latter.

In any case, my condolences to you for the loss of your dog.

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Thanks for your reply.

Sadie and my late father's griffons would work you to your knees chuckar hunting. They were steady and bullet-proof. In a day's time they would get you far more chuckar, and we're talking wild NV birds, not the soft preserve kind, than any other breed but a German Shorthair, which I hold is the best all around upland dog for rough country.

Dad's dogs were famous for their noses and bird sense and their overall strength. The breed isn't what it once was, however. We got our original dogs from old Col. Stodtmeister out of Germany, and they were TOUGH!!

But, like many breeds, a lot have been bred to be easy to handle first, and tenacious second. I could actually care less about style. I want bird producers. wink

Invariably, the "style" dogs shoot their wad far too early to be decent chuckar dogs. They wear off their pads and collapse about mid-day. A good griffon will still be chugging along at a good pace, working his heart out for you.

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I just committed to getting a female pup from this litter, whelped on 11/04. laugh

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Congratulations!


Nice looking mama doog and good HEALTHY litter of pups!

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When choosing a pup, question the breeder on which breeding program they subscribe to, the WPGCA (Wirehaired Pointing Griffon Club of America) or the AWPGA (American Wirehaired Pointing Griffon Association). In the 80s the WPGCA began a program of crossbreeding pure Griffons with the Cesky Fousek to produce a WPG with more "drive". The AWPGA on the other hand promotes staying true to the fullblooded WPG as Korthals set the breed.


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I just committed to getting a female pup from this litter, whelped on 11/04. laugh

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Congrats! I'm thinking that pup just won the lottery!


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Originally Posted by Ghostman
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They're a typical German breed...hard-headed but not difficult to train, and they are a reasonably intelligent breed.


Griffs are NOT a German breed, they're Dutch. The best Griff couldn't compare to the worst Drathaar.


BULLSCHIDT!

The breeder was a Dutchman who developed the breed over a twenty year period in GERMANY! They were further developed as a breed in Germany, France and The Netherlands.

I've had Drats, also, and they were no better or worse than the Griffons.


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Eduard Korthals was Dutch and while I'm fully aware he had a kennel in Germany for 20 years you'll get VERY few Germans to agree or acknowledge that a Griffon is a German pointing breed.

I've ran Deutsch Kurzhaars and Drathaars in German hunt tests over the years and have witnessed many more in multiple states. I have never seen a Griffon entered in a German hunt test.

I've seen and judged Griffons in NAVHDA and AKC hunting tests. From my observations of the breed they are not a "typical" German pointing breed. IMO most Griffs lack drive and style and have softer temperaments compared to several of the German pointing breeds, especially in comparrison to most lines of Kurzhaars, Drathaars and Pudelpointers.

To me Griffs are a perfect breed for older folks who aren't hard hunters, dont care much about style, and don't demand much from a dog. Some folks like VW Beetles and some prefer Porsches. I prefer the latter.

In any case, my condolences to you for the loss of your dog.

Ive participated in NAVHDA trials over 20 years on east coast, MD, PA, VA and now here out west in ID, OR, WA.

Ive noticed the griffs bred and hunted out west have very good drive, are methodic but do range farther and are very energetic. Not many breeds can climb up steep rocky terrain and range out to 50 to 100 yds on chukar , huns the later in the day point and retrive rabbits, work close for quail in the tall sage brush and break ice retrieving ducks and make a good house dog companion.


Not much of a style guy, I just want my dog well socialized with other dogs, animals, people, obedient and driven. Pretty happy with griffs. Does everything i ask of her


good looking pup safari

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Originally Posted by Ghostman
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They're a typical German breed...hard-headed but not difficult to train, and they are a reasonably intelligent breed.


Griffs are NOT a German breed, they're Dutch. The best Griff couldn't compare to the worst Drathaar.


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Those pups are showing a lot of white do they get darker as they age?
Thanks for your time. Cheers NC


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You have been blessed with some beautiful dogs. Outstanding

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Those pups are showing a lot of white do they get darker as they age?
Thanks for your time. Cheers NC


Yes, they do get darker as they get older.


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