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Finally got out to try the Bluedot loads 223 13gr with 35,40 and 50 gr pills cant believe I'm just now trying this, with out adjusting the scope from my normal screamer loads shot about 2" higher at 50 and just about 1" low at 100 no horizontal change, haven't stopped grinning. NO recoil could see the print.... next H4198, even picked out the first bunny to collect this season


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just ran thru a pound of Alliant "Steel" shotgun powder in the 223, 20 Practical and the 243...yielded 500 rounds out of a pound of powder in the 223 load, using 14 grain charge..

This has a slower burn rate than Blue Dot ( a little slower)

it is temp stable

is as bulky as Unique, which is bulkier than Blue Dot

it is as accurate as Blue Dot

if anyone has Blue Dot data in the above listed chamberings,
I found in my rifles that "Steel" can use the Blue Dot Data safely...

another feature Steel has over Blue Dot... you can find it on the shelves, unlike Blue Dot...

just passing on an FYI for anyone interested...

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Any thought on loads for Lyman 225438 ? Cost per round should be less than 22 RF.

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tried sea fires blue dot load. it shot great!

put ten into 3/4" at 100. it shot 2" higher than the factory hornady 40 gr vmax load.

load was 40gr vmax, rem 7 1/2 primer and hornady brass.

i'll be loading more this week to see if it will repeat.

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It's not SEAFIRE's load, but he does get credit for a lot of development of variations on the concept.....

And, if I ever run out of Blooooooo Dotz and need an alternative, THEN I will bow before the Altar of Seafire in regards to Steel as an alternative.

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Man, I just passed on a couple 5 pounders of Blue Dot at Sportsmans a few weeks back. Kinda thought they would be there at least a little while. Oh well.


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If STEEL works as well as Blue Dot for these loads, that would be a wonderful addition. There is a lot more of that around, and due to its use by the factories in their shotgun ammo, a lot of it gets produced.

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1000is,

I bought a Lyman 225438 during the peak of the rimfire shortage, and it worked very well in my rifles. Cast from clip-on wheelweights they weighed 43.5 grains, and would put 5 into an inch or less at 50 yards with these loads:

.22 Hornet--5.0 A5744, 1080 fps
.223 Remington--4.0 Blue Dot, 1187 fps

225438 is a gas-check mold, but in my rifles the bullets shot best unsized and without gas-checks. I just cast 'em, rolled 'em around in Lee Alox and loaded them a day later. Pretty cheap and easy way to shoot. The primers in the Hornet loads were CCI 500's, and in the .223's Rem. 7-1/2's.



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I got out twice more and shot the schitt out of a bunch of gophers with the 50 vmax/12.5 gr. 4198 load. Out to 150 yards its flat enough for sure, doesn't heat the barrel up near as quickly and is accurate, plus you can shoot it easily without earplugs if you desire.

It is the wave of the future on the killing fields.... grin


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Originally Posted by Higbean
Man, I just passed on a couple 5 pounders of Blue Dot at Sportsmans a few weeks back. Kinda thought they would be there at least a little while. Oh well.


I have enough blue dot to load about 10,000 rounds, there's blue bot all over PA

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At times I am sorry I ever shared those Blue Dot loads with so many people...

I often wondered if I didn't, that we'd probably have never been seeing shortages of it... whistle

actually I've got about 12 pounds of Steel on the way...

it'll be my "Blue Dot" for this season...

of course I've always got that 12.5 grains of 4198 to bounce back on, that Ingwe has been telling everyone about.... Tom's pretty darn smart coming up with a load like that...

just goes to show you younger guys, we older guys are smarter than you give us credit for.

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Originally Posted by Seafire


of course I've always got that 12.5 grains of 4198 to bounce back on, that Ingwe has been telling everyone about.... Tom's pretty darn smart coming up with a load like that...






I thought I stole that load from you...... whistle


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Shhhhh.....

on the campfire, things are more legit if they come from Montana vs from Oregon...

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Is the STEEL a legitimate replacement in all ways for these type of BLUE DOT loads?

I can get Steel all day everyday, but haven't seen BD in over 5 years.

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Well Dakota,

Take this as you desire...

instead of taking the same amount of time working up and then posting all the load data that I did for Blue Dot...

I've been loading what I considered my max loads with several bullet weights in the 223, the 22.250 and the 243...

and using Blue Dot Data, they are just as safe in my rifles.

maybe when I have more spare time, I can take the time and do all the work I did with Blue Dot.. but that won't be anytime soon.

They claim ( the factory) that Steel is very Temp Insensitive... so far I haven't had 100 degree days to test that in...

Haven't had time to chronograph any of the loads either...

but the 223 for gophers has been minute of gopher and sage rat right out to 200 yds plus...


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Originally Posted by Seafire
Shhhhh.....

on the campfire, things are more legit if they come from Montana vs from Oregon...




Thats true in the Campfire...and in life! laugh


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Well Potland has given US ALL a bad image in the last 20 to 30 years...

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Originally Posted by Seafire
Well Dakota,

Take this as you desire...

instead of taking the same amount of time working up and then posting all the load data that I did for Blue Dot...

I've been loading what I considered my max loads with several bullet weights in the 223, the 22.250 and the 243...

and using Blue Dot Data, they are just as safe in my rifles.

maybe when I have more spare time, I can take the time and do all the work I did with Blue Dot.. but that won't be anytime soon.

They claim ( the factory) that Steel is very Temp Insensitive... so far I haven't had 100 degree days to test that in...

Haven't had time to chronograph any of the loads either...

but the 223 for gophers has been minute of gopher and sage rat right out to 200 yds plus...


Thanks! If you run any data, I'd love to hear it. I can get STEEL every day of the week around here currently.

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Here is some work I've done on STEEL loads, you might find informative smile


https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbth...071714/Re:_223_reduce_loads#Post11071714


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Originally Posted by lanenebraska
Here is some work I've done on STEEL loads, you might find informative smile


https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbth...071714/Re:_223_reduce_loads#Post11071714



and Lane gets the credit for starting the ball rolling on this, not me. Credit goes to him! Even tho I had thought about it, the factory guys lead me to believe that it needed to be compressed to perform well.. which turned out to be BS.

Thanks again Lane, for getting me going on this!

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