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I saw his face on Fox this morning with "Fox News Contributor" under his picture. His name is Robert Jeffress and he is Pastor of First Baptist in Dallas, a position which often leads to being named President of the Southern Baptist Convention.

He was pretty good at self-promotion when he was Pastor at First Baptist in Wichita Falls, Tx. When the book promoting homosexuality,"Heather has Two Mommies" was published, Jeffress put together a campaign asking people to check out the book and not return it.

I doubt most folks would have heard of it if not for him, so he sure helped the book's sales.

A few years ago, my wife and I decided to attend Sunday morning Easter services at his church in W.F., figuring we would see some of the pageantry, and hear some of the music that large Baptist churches commonly put on at Easter.

Instead, the ENTIRE service consisted of watching a really professionally crafted video of the Architect's drawings of a new Mega- Bld'g planned to be built next door. Of course there was a solicitation for pledges, and all the money collected that morning was dedicated to the new building.

That was it. No Easter sermon. No Easter music by the choir. Just a pitch for money.

I reckon it was successful since the new bldg was built and " The Lord called Brother Jeffress to First Baptist in Dallas".

And now he's on Fox.

Preacher's hover very near the bottom of my "people to trust" list.




Travis

Yep.

THEY made their reputations..... we would be fools to ignore it.

A 1st Baptist church is part of the American Baptist convention, not the Southern Baptist. They're entirely separate other than in their beliefs.

I can't speak for Southern Baptists, but each American Baptist church chooses it's own minister. The ABC has no control at all on who they pick. If a church chooses such a man, it's that churches decision and has no reflection on the national convention or on any other individual church.

I don't trust anyone that attends one of those mega churches

I have no use for organized religion.....

EVERY "First Baptist Church" I have attended, and been a member of, was a member of the Southern Baptist Convention.

ALL Baptist churches practice a Congregational form of church government and are an entity unto themselves.

If you want to research [I don't, I'm speaking just from my memory] I believe you will find that First Baptist of Dallas has often been the springboard to leadership in the SBC. The same can be said for First Baptist of Memphis and Atlanta.

The Roman Catholics don't have a lock on politics or money raising.

Pastors of smaller churches seem to be the 'real thing'. Pastors of megachurches seem to all be charlatans, crooks, and snake oil salesmen.

Exactly my observations as well.

Our church pastor visits the homes of his members quite frequently, and is quite a fixture in the town doings.

Every 1st Baptist I've ever heard of has been American Baptist...but I'm a northener. If you google it, you'll find that American Baptists are usually called that. However, in the past when a Baptist church of any flavor was the first to open in a town, they'd often called themselves the First Baptist simply because they're the first one there.

Every profession has good ones and bad ones. With religion, you just have to figure out who they truly serve.

I distrust Baptists more than I do Preachers.

Matthew 23 comes to mind:

23 Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 2 “The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. 3 So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. 4 They tie up heavy, cumbersome loads and put them on other people’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.

5 “Everything they do is done for people to see: They make their phylacteries[a] wide and the tassels on their garments long; 6 they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues; 7 they love to be greeted with respect in the marketplaces and to be called ‘Rabbi’ by others.

8 “But you are not to be called ‘Rabbi,’ for you have one Teacher, and you are all brothers. 9 And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. 10 Nor are you to be called instructors, for you have one Instructor, the Messiah. 11 The greatest among you will be your servant. 12 For those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted. . ."

A church building is not necessary. For the true church is in the hearts and devotions of the congregants; without a soul to bear His light and spirit; without a righteous person to sacrifice ego for virtue, there is no place for the Son of Man. Preach therefore not of the things of this world, but of the next, setting aside all vanity for the treasure to come. To be loved in name by the Holy Spirit is to gain eternal bliss beyond measure.

that's been my experience and understanding as well. at least down south. in my personal view, there's a more conservative side of the SBC, and a more moderate side. yet, the blanket remains in tact, so to speak.

we've had our fair share of uh...articulate speakers. seems like the more articulate they are, the greater the size of the congregation.

there's been a catholic spokesperson on the Fox nearly foreever. i think he has written a book or two.

i always liked to read of Malachi Martin's books about the vatican, etc. etc.

I wouldn't altogether disagree with you. But i wouldn't paint with too wide a brush. There are always exceptions. There is a monster church not far from me probably over 35k belong to it.
I don't. Told a lot of ex catholics there. They seem to do a good job.
Had a life long friend lose a grandson in a car accident a few years ago. They stepped up to the plate took care of the whole thing, burial expenses, service, the dinner afterwards. My friend was not a member at the time. They do a lot of stuff like that.
Few years back we use to have a motorcycle run from that church to firebird raceway. They set up big screens in the church so family members in iraq could see their families at the church.
pretty special.

them mega churches creep me out. i've been to two for services and events. too much smiling and over acting for my taste buds

Never take a Baptist fishing with you because they'll drink all your beer.

Define small. Most of the smaller churches are that way for a reason. This is where you find the preachers who are into the snake handling, and other cult like activities. They have been run off from mainstream churches and formed their own along with a handful of other nut cases.

The megachurches just practice a different form of crookedness.

Jim Baker (PTL Club) Jimmy Swaggert and Safariman come to my mind.See any problems with these 3 Bozo,s?