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I'm just not too familiar with them. I hear great things but what sets them apart and what do they compare to?

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If you measure rifle scopes by optical quality and light weight, there isn't much to get excited about - SWFA SS's are heavy and there glass/coatings are middle of the pack for the price point.

If you measure optics by durability, retained zero, returning to zero, accurate reticles turrets that track reliably over and over again, and range of tracking, then SWFA SS's are about the best bargain available.

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Was wondering the same as Drummond...thanks for the explanation C9...


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Originally Posted by Canazes9
If you measure rifle scopes by optical quality and light weight, there isn't much to get excited about - SWFA SS's are heavy and there glass/coatings are middle of the pack for the price point.

If you measure optics by durability, retained zero, returning to zero, accurate reticles turrets that track reliably over and over again, and range of tracking, then SWFA SS's are about the best bargain available.

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Are you saying that holds over all the SS price points which do vary quite a bit?

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Originally Posted by Canazes9
If you measure optics by durability, retained zero, returning to zero, accurate reticles turrets that track reliably over and over again, and range of tracking, then SWFA SS's are about THE best bargain available.


+1

They're currently having a Black Friday sale. Fixed 6x & 10x for under 260 and a 1-4 with illuminated reticle for under 300 are fantastic bargains.

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Only thing I would add is the excellent customer service from Chris Farris and his crew, in the unlikely event that you have an issue.

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Originally Posted by huntsonora
I'm just not too familiar with them. I hear great things but what sets them apart and what do they compare to?


Me too....

They seem to be the rage right now and it makes me wonder if I'm missing the boat by not getting in on the Black Friday sale or wait 6 months until they start showing up in the classifieds.

Thanks for the info C9 and Fos.

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Originally Posted by Canazes9
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If you measure optics by durability, retained zero, returning to zero, accurate reticles turrets that track reliably over and over again, and range of tracking, then SWFA SS's are about the best bargain available.

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that to me is what matters most.what good is a scope you can trust mechanically it can have glass made by god but if the mechanicals cant be trust what is the point. I will take cheap glass and robust mechanicals any day.

the one thing about the SS series is they are marketed primarily to the tactical crowd. Most of them are mil scopes with ffp reticles. not ideal for hunting nor are the fixed pwer scopes. i am going to get a 20x model for load development

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Chris Ferris, owner of SWFA has come up with some gems over the years.

You, me, or anyone else can go to an optics maker, give them your specs and price point and they will contract to produce scopes.

About 20 years ago, he took a Swaro and a Schmidt & Bender to Hakko, a Japanese optics maker. They produce any thing from medical grade microscopes to binos and rifle scopes. Told them to reverse engineer the German scopes and come up with something that approaches them at a much lower price. He got them made and sold them under the brand Tasco Eurscope/Titan. This was when George Rosenfield still owned Tasco.

These were first called Tasco Euroscopes, then they they had a revision and became Titans. I have several and have hunted in the US, Europe, Africa, and Argentina with them and never had a failure with any of them. They still sell for several hundreds bucks used on Ebay when they come up. People who have had them love them.

The Super Sniper line came out of Tasco putting in a bid for a military contract for a sniper scope. Rosenfield had the specs drawn up, the scopes made and submitted for the military contract. The scope faired well, but was not ultimately chosen.

Rosenfield sold Tasco to Celestron, who lost interest in riflescopes of quality and contracted all the lines out to China, and hense the Walmart reputation of what was once a decent scope for the cash (Tasco Worldclass Japan).

Farris knew that Hakko was sitting on a design for a very rugged scope, and went to them and contracted a run of them. No marketing expense, no advertising expense, no middle men all equals a $1200 scope for $300.

I have a 6 X 42 Super Sninper and think it is great. It is heavy, the turrets protrude more than I'd like on a sporting rifle, but so what'I think the summation by C9 about is accurate. I think a little more of the lens coatings than he, but not enough to pick a fight.

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Originally Posted by mathman
Originally Posted by Canazes9
If you measure rifle scopes by optical quality and light weight, there isn't much to get excited about - SWFA SS's are heavy and there glass/coatings are middle of the pack for the price point.

If you measure optics by durability, retained zero, returning to zero, accurate reticles turrets that track reliably over and over again, and range of tracking, then SWFA SS's are about the best bargain available.

David


Are you saying that holds over all the SS price points which do vary quite a bit?


I haven't seen every scope they make, but in general, yes I think it's true. Top quality glass and coatings are very expensive, often only providing minor incremental improvements in optic quality - that's not where SWFA spent their money.

I'm not saying their glass sucks, its pretty good. But if you had $600 to spend and want the best glass you can get in a 3-9x42, the SWFA SS isn't it. Same is true for their 3-15x42. I haven't looked through their 5-20x50. I hear the glass is quite good, but again, I'm betting that if you spent that kind of money and were only concerned with optical quality you could do slightly better for the money.



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The one I have is a 6x42. It looks pretty darn clear for a $299 scope, and that's on top of its mechanical virtues. I've not tried the models you mentioned.

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Originally Posted by mathman
The one I have is a 6x42. It looks pretty darn clear for a $299 scope, and that's on top of its mechanical virtues. I've not tried the models you mentioned.


Agreed on the 6x42 being excellent for the money. In my opinion, it is the absolute value leader in the SWFA SS line.

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Mechanically they are one of the two most solid scopes lines made. The other being Nightforce. They work.


Have had dozens of SWFA's on the range, on hunting rifles and at work. The fixed powers optically are similar to Leupold VX2. The 3-9x42mm is closer to VX3 and the 5-20x HD model has fantastic resolution and color rendition and is very, very bright. .

Having said that, "glass" is the least important feature of a scope as they are aiming devices, not bird watching devices, and for what matters in a scope, they are at the top of the heap.

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Nothing else like them. SWFA is giving the little guy the chance to run an absolutely reliable scope for just three bills. I've tried the 3-9, a 6x, and the 10x. The 10X w/Mil Quad for open country sold me completely on the scope and reticle. Zero complaint about "glass" or weight for what it does. Easy resale used.... Originally thought the MilDot might be best but the MQ is great. For any application one would want to dial for distance, these are the heavy duty bargain of the industry. That's why so many guys are ditching the other stuff to run them. That's why folks in the know, right here on the Fire, not just mall ninjas, are saying "buy SWFA!". The offers of 20% and 25% off already awesome prices is like Mr Farris handing you cash just to try them.

Dead nuts reliable FFP MIL/MIL for $300 $260 with rings and bubble level! With a forever warranty and an easy resale value of, well $260. What is there to loose?
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Or the 3-9x42 FFP Mil Quad for $450 right now.
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Take it from someone new to dialing.....the 6X42 MQ is not hard to like.

After tutorial from Big Stick, less than 30 rounds under it with two loads and both loads are finding a 6" bull at 600 yards.

That's using either the reticle,or the turrets.Tracking is very good,reliable.

Maybe I'm less fussy but I find that the optics don't require any apologies.My eyes are 65 years old.

I've been having so much fun at 600 yards I have not even gotten around to the ritual of shooting "groups" at 100 yards. Frankly, who needs it? smile




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I wouldn't say the glass is middle of the road. I have a 5-20HD and it is very nice optically. Tough as they come.

You don't buy a SS for the "glass". You buy it for durability and repeatability. You could go buy a new Zeiss Terra and it would have better glass than a 6X SS but which will have the durability to not let you down when you need it? And I own a Terra 3-9.

Look at all the leupold threads on here. They regularly go TU and people complain. Not many out on the WWW about a SS. There are some but not many.

I will leave you this. On Snipers Hide one of the mods (who competes regularly) ditched his highend scopes, night forces and S&Bs, when the SS 5-20HD came out. Not sure if he has kept them or switched again but he felt there was a better mouse trap with the SS.


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Thanks guys! Dogshooter swears by them and I trust his judgement completely but wanted a better explanation I guess

That being said, what would you guys recommend for my 260 that will be used shooting anything g from coyotes to deer in relatively open country


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Originally Posted by huntsonora
Thanks guys! Dogshooter swears by them and I trust his judgement completely but wanted a better explanation I guess

That being said, what would you guys recommend for my 260 that will be used shooting anything g from coyotes to deer in relatively open country

I am using the 3 x 15 for hunting. Killed a lot of coyotes and several deer now and it works great. Rock solid adjustments and return to zero. Had one on my 243 for a year and a half now in the truck almost every day using it for work. One hunt into the Bob Marshall wilderness on horses. Through it all I have had to adjust my scope 1 horizontal click at 200yds.lots of twisting on the knobs too. Pretty reliable.

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10x MQ would fit the bill nicely.

I have run quite a few of the SS series. I had the 5x20 HD and loved it, perfect corrections and great glass. My 3x9s have middle of the pack glass but the most important feature of a scope is holding zero and tracking. If these were binos or a spotting scope I would be disappointed but I have never had them let me down in the field.

I have a pair of 1x4 coming, one for the AR and the other for the .35 Whelen. I am down to only two non SWFA scopes as of now.


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I need to order one but sorry I'm going the MOA route, my brain has been too wired for that for the past decade.


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I had done moa for years and fought mils hard. In less than 30 minutes at a range I was done and started converting over, so much easier to count by tens.


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I hear you, I'm not committed to switch over everything.


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Just checked the SWFA site.. No phone #, do you have to register in order to buy??


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Originally Posted by huntsonora
Thanks guys! Dogshooter swears by them and I trust his judgement completely but wanted a better explanation I guess

That being said, what would you guys recommend for my 260 that will be used shooting anything g from coyotes to deer in relatively open country




The 6x and 3-9x are the peaches for hunting. The 10x is for play or a truly dedicated open country gun.

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Originally Posted by huntsonora
That being said, what would you guys recommend for my 260 that will be used shooting anything g from coyotes to deer in relatively open country


My hands on Super Chicken experience isn't as extensive compared to several that post here. I have and use the fixed 6x & 10x, the 3-15 and now the 1-4 Illuminati. The 1-4 is right at home on an AR-15 and just picked up three more for a 9.3x62mm and a couple more AR-15's.

The 6x is my favorite and if SWFA would add an illuminated reticle it would be the bees knees.

The fixed 10x I just never could really appreciate. If you have wide open spaces, a little more than 10x just seems a little more practical, and admittedly a personal preference. Thus the reason I have a 3-15x42mm.






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Originally Posted by 260madman
You don't buy a SS for the "glass". You buy it for durability and repeatability.


Absolutely correct. The SWFA line is for aiming, not observation.


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Regarding the optical qualities...

I think the 3-9x is pretty good except for tunnel vision on 3x. Set it on 4x and it's good to go. Light transmission, resolution, and glare/flare are really pretty good.

The 20x is dim, but is to be expected with the exit pupil. I no longer own this scope.

The 3-15x is a little disappointing on 15x, but overall it's tough to complain about for the price. I had one for awhile then sold it. I think the SF is a weak point, but haven't heard of any problems.

The 6x and 10x are solid as stated by others. 10x is more of a specialized tool. Several of us ran an informal test and none thought we could get on a mover as fast as we'd like. My 10x scopes are on play rifles, not hunting rigs. The 6x is a breeze in comparison. An 8x would probably split the diff in the right direction.

My only complaint with the fixed Super Birds is glare on the ocular lens. Under certain conditions, it'll affect the image but it's a simple matter to re-position slightly or block the offending light source. The 3-9x does not suffer this. In no way would this keep me from buying more fixed powers. Nothing comes close as they state, even for more money.

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I'm interested in the 1-4x24 illuminati's, do I want the classic or the hd?

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I just bought my second 1-4 classic. I really don't need 6 power in ga.


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Originally Posted by huntsonora
Thanks guys! Dogshooter swears by them and I trust his judgement completely but wanted a better explanation I guess

That being said, what would you guys recommend for my 260 that will be used shooting anything g from coyotes to deer in relatively open country



You'd probably like the 3-9X HD model bestest.



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I hear you, I'm not committed to switch over everything.


I use both and don't understand why people won't do the same.



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I'm going to buy one in the 10x.
I've have had a problem getting on board . In my mind I see a young Asian kid chained to a work bench.

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I decided to give 6x42MQ a try and ordered one yesterday. Additionally, Chris and I exchanged a few emails, and he was very helpful. If I like the scope, great. If not, no biggie, as I have found another optical retailer to add to my "A" list.

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I'm going to buy one in the 10x.
I've have had a problem getting on board . In my mind I see a young Asian kid chained to a work bench.


That's a problem how...


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Do they not make a straight duplex with turrets to spin?

It seems to me that most folks who shoot/hunt LR do so with the aid of a decent electronic rangefinder.

I don't feel the need for both the range finding reticle and the turrets to spin unless one was preparing for electronic rangefinder failure.

What am I missing in my thinking?


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I'm no expert but windage. Wind can change so easier to use the reticle to hold for wind versus constantly twisting knobs especially if you are trying to get a shot off on an animal.


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Having said that, "glass" is the least important feature of a scope as they are aiming devices, not bird watching devices, and for what matters in a scope, they are at the top of the heap.


Bingo. It's a SIGHT, not a viewing or photographic device. I do wish they offered a better hunting reticle.


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Having said that, "glass" is the least important feature of a scope as they are aiming devices, not bird watching devices, and for what matters in a scope, they are at the top of the heap.


Bingo. It's a SIGHT, not a viewing or photographic device. I do wish they offered a better hunting reticle.



More than a few have been uttering that statement for YEARS on the 'Fire. Most blow it off, since jerking off through a Swaro Rifle scope is so much better than something that actually works all the time.


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To me, this with just the Turret(s) to spin would suit me just fine. You would have to count clicks up or come up with a CDS dial but it seems ideal with nothing I would not use.

I guess that would be like asking for egg in your beer though.



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The reticle has nothing to do with rangefinding. It's main use, as stated, is for wind. Having both windage and elevation gives ones options.

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Originally Posted by twofish
Do they not make a straight duplex with turrets to spin?

It seems to me that most folks who shoot/hunt LR do so with the aid of a decent electronic rangefinder.

I don't feel the need for both the range finding reticle and the turrets to spin unless one was preparing for electronic rangefinder failure.

What am I missing in my thinking?


twofish,

Even if you do not use the reticle for wind or elevation hold offs, it is still invaluable for spotting your own shots. This is why you'll find most shooters do not like the big boomers and also why you'll find a lot of brakes and suppressors on the firing lines of any long range shoot.

When I shoot, I'm watching the steel and the surrounding area. If I see a poof of dust on the half-mil-mark to the right of the steel, guess where I need to hold for my next shot?

Easy-peasy.

Same holds for elevation. Your windage call is good, but you see it "poof" at the 1 mil mark below your crosshairs, guess how much more you need to dial?

You trackin'? Get it? Tracking? I made a scope related pun.

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I'd really like to try a 6X but for the areas I hunt a variable works better. Most of our shots are 250 yards and in and lots of times within 100 yards in dark cover. I think a 6X would be too much in the woods and I'd really prefer to have more magnification for longer shots. For a hunting scope in my area the SWFA doesn't seem to do it for me.

Anyone in the east use one of them effectively?



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I'd really like to try a 6X but for the areas I hunt a variable works better. Most of our shots are 250 yards and in and lots of times within 100 yards in dark cover. I think a 6X would be too much in the woods and I'd really prefer to have more magnification for longer shots. For a hunting scope in my area the SWFA doesn't seem to do it for me.

Anyone in the east use one of them effectively?


The Lord has blessed me so I do not have to live in the east, but I would highly recommend you try one. You may find it doesn't inhibit anything. Regardless of AOR.



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Travis, I'd love to move west but lots of family here and it's home so that's not an option. It's still not that bad, being able to catch mountain trout one day and fish bluewater or inshore the next. Hunting sucks compared to out west but we can get into some decent waterfowl action.

I've never been on to twist turrets and have never used ranging reticles to their potential, mainly due to the shorter ranges we hunt. What's the concensus on mil dot vs MQ? I don't have a need for either but the draw is high with the prices this weekend.



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Do they not make a straight duplex with turrets to spin?

It seems to me that most folks who shoot/hunt LR do so with the aid of a decent electronic rangefinder.

I don't feel the need for both the range finding reticle and the turrets to spin unless one was preparing for electronic rangefinder failure.

What am I missing in my thinking?


twofish,

Even if you do not use the reticle for wind or elevation hold offs, it is still invaluable for spotting your own shots. This is why you'll find most shooters do not like the big boomers and also why you'll find a lot of brakes and suppressors on the firing lines of any long range shoot.

When I shoot, I'm watching the steel and the surrounding area. If I see a poof of dust on the half-mil-mark to the right of the steel, guess where I need to hold for my next shot?

Easy-peasy.

Same holds for elevation. Your windage call is good, but you see it "poof" at the 1 mil mark below your crosshairs, guess how much more you need to dial?

You trackin'? Get it? Tracking? I made a scope related pun.

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Great explanation here. I'd also add that with a SS you can literally dial the windage or elevation accordingly from the measurement of target to the miss and trust the tracking to match. That is such a huge thing. You cannot do the same thing with a standard duplex with any precision.


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Originally Posted by UNCCGrad
Travis, I'd love to move west but lots of family here and it's home so that's not an option. It's still not that bad, being able to catch mountain trout one day and fish bluewater or inshore the next. Hunting sucks compared to out west but we can get into some decent waterfowl action.

I've never been on to twist turrets and have never used ranging reticles to their potential, mainly due to the shorter ranges we hunt. What's the concensus on mil dot vs MQ? I don't have a need for either but the draw is high with the prices this weekend.


The MQ is more precise but I like the standard mil dot just fine. But it is much "coarser" than the MQ.

Based on what you described I'd give the 1-4X a whirl and see if you like it. It has all the features you could want to try out in one scope. Ranging reticle, MQ reticle, and turrets.

I was going to buy one myself but somebody shot my truck and I ended up needing four new tires. You can visit here any time. Everybody loves meeting me.

Hope this helps.


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Originally Posted by deflave
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Travis, I'd love to move west but lots of family here and it's home so that's not an option. It's still not that bad, being able to catch mountain trout one day and fish bluewater or inshore the next. Hunting sucks compared to out west but we can get into some decent waterfowl action.

I've never been on to twist turrets and have never used ranging reticles to their potential, mainly due to the shorter ranges we hunt. What's the concensus on mil dot vs MQ? I don't have a need for either but the draw is high with the prices this weekend.


The MQ is more precise but I like the standard mil dot just fine. But it is much "coarser" than the MQ.

Based on what you described I'd give the 1-4X a whirl and see if you like it. It has all the features you could want to try out in one scope. Ranging reticle, MQ reticle, and turrets.

I was going to buy one myself but somebody shot my truck and I ended up needing four new tires. You can visit here any time. Everybody loves meeting me.

Hope this helps.


Travis


I don't think the person who shot your truck liked meeting you.

The 1-4 looks like the tits for hunting. I almost squeezed the trigger on one, but decided that even 300 clams is more than I can shell out right now.


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I don't think the person who shot your truck liked meeting you.


In fact, Shrapnel is quite fond of Travis.



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I don't think the person who shot your truck liked meeting you.



Don't be ridiculous.



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Originally Posted by UNCCGrad
I'd really like to try a 6X but for the areas I hunt a variable works better. Most of our shots are 250 yards and in and lots of times within 100 yards in dark cover. I think a 6X would be too much in the woods and I'd really prefer to have more magnification for longer shots. For a hunting scope in my area the SWFA doesn't seem to do it for me.

Anyone in the east use one of them effectively?


yea I guess but its a Meopro fixed 6X with a #4 so it can be done here in the east. I just bought another SWFA 1-4, I like the big bugger in the middle of the windshield for shooting in the woods at 25 yard deer, then it can be used for other stuff as well.


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I agree, if they were four times cheaper!!


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Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by twofish
Do they not make a straight duplex with turrets to spin?

It seems to me that most folks who shoot/hunt LR do so with the aid of a decent electronic rangefinder.

I don't feel the need for both the range finding reticle and the turrets to spin unless one was preparing for electronic rangefinder failure.

What am I missing in my thinking?


twofish,

Even if you do not use the reticle for wind or elevation hold offs, it is still invaluable for spotting your own shots. This is why you'll find most shooters do not like the big boomers and also why you'll find a lot of brakes and suppressors on the firing lines of any long range shoot.

When I shoot, I'm watching the steel and the surrounding area. If I see a poof of dust on the half-mil-mark to the right of the steel, guess where I need to hold for my next shot?

Easy-peasy.

Same holds for elevation. Your windage call is good, but you see it "poof" at the 1 mil mark below your crosshairs, guess how much more you need to dial?

You trackin'? Get it? Tracking? I made a scope related pun.

GFY.



Clark


That makes good sense Clark.

Thanks for the explanation.

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Originally Posted by Formidilosus
The reticle has nothing to do with rangefinding. It's main use, as stated, is for wind. Having both windage and elevation gives ones options.


I was mixing up the Illuminati reticle with the MQ after looking at the pics poster on pg. 1.

Thanks


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Originally Posted by UNCCGrad
I'd really like to try a 6X but for the areas I hunt a variable works better. Most of our shots are 250 yards and in and lots of times within 100 yards in dark cover. I think a 6X would be too much in the woods and I'd really prefer to have more magnification for longer shots. For a hunting scope in my area the SWFA doesn't seem to do it for me.

Anyone in the east use one of them effectively?


6X is not too much power.

I want to love the 6X milquad, but the 3-9 reticle is slightly easier to see at 6X. Side by side, the 3-9 works just a bit better in the thick stuff, and at the beginning and end of legal light. I usually leave it set at 6X.Maybe it is just the samples I have, but the reticle seems darker, or maybe it focuses better in the 3-9.

I've shot several whitetail with the 3-9, and one with the fixed 6. If the reticle was a tiny bit thicker or illuminated, it would be perfect. I think the 3-9 is perfect.

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Originally Posted by TXRam
Just for info, looks like pretty much all the fixed powers are sold out


Yep. I tried for a 10x Friday morning, and they were all gone.


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Did you retards choose the ring height and add it to the cart before pulling the plug?




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Originally Posted by UNCCGrad
I'd really like to try a 6X but for the areas I hunt a variable works better. Most of our shots are 250 yards and in and lots of times within 100 yards in dark cover. I think a 6X would be too much in the woods and I'd really prefer to have more magnification for longer shots. For a hunting scope in my area the SWFA doesn't seem to do it for me.

Anyone in the east use one of them effectively?


I have a Fixed 6 MQ on my Montana.

Hunting upper midwest whitetails.

1. The turrets do not move unless you want them to. It takes moving them by hand. They'll not spin otherwise.

2. 6x is fine close and far. I was a dyed in the wool 3-9 kinda guy. LOVE the fixed 6 now.

It's under 100 to the dark swampline. Deer walk the edge and a trail about 1/2 way between camera and the edge. No issues acquiring a firing solution so to speak on either.

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Bout 50 to the edge here - deer trail along a creek. That's an old logging road in front. Trail goes right to left along a creek to high ground in a swamp.

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220 to the dark hole left of the center line of trees. Deer typically present right at the edge at 220 or at about 165 yards on the left 1/2 of the pic. No issues at dusk determining antlers or shoulders to fire on.

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No issues at all with the fixed 6 and critters in any of them.
Yesterday I was holding on a fork horn at 12 yards with it in the same place as the top picture.

Glass wise - I can sight well enough, late enough that a shot would probably elicit a raised eyebrow from more than one person - given the ambient light.

Can't say enough about the 1 I own and it's made a believer out of those I've let sight/use it. The tracking on it is spot on.


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Just for info, looks like pretty much all the fixed powers are sold out


Yep. I tried for a 10x Friday morning, and they were all gone.


What Deflave said! I ordered a 10X MQ yesterday morning. It took a minute to navigate to the point where I could choose a ring set and properly check out.



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Originally Posted by deflave
Did you retards choose the ring height and add it to the cart before pulling the plug?

Travis


Bah too much turkey the day before. I was hung over smirk

but not good instructions on their site, either. You have to click the little blue "More Details" link, under the big orange "Add to Cart" button, before it will let you select the ring height, which then allows you to "Add to Cart"

Hit Add to Cart too soon, it just tells you the scope is not available.

So I now have a 10x42 on order, thanks Travis smile



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Weaver style 2 piece or rail? Rail could go with low and still clear the bolt handle. 2 piece weaver may be too low.

Searching other sites might get you the answer. Most just go mediums. I run Seekins lows on a 20 MOA base and my 700 bolt clears the ocular.


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I went low - with a Remington 700 short action I will go with a full rail, and it should clear at that point.


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