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Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
I don't think the concept of "shrinking middle class" holds much water.

The American populace is the wealthiest the world has ever known. And that includes those living under the .Gov defined poverty line.

My Grandparents worked 16 hour days, six days a week scratching a living out of the dirt on eighty acres to keep their family of eight fed, clothed and warm. The entire family in a two bedroom cinder block home built by their own hands.

They had running water and an inside toilet, and so were considered upper middle class in these parts.

Today a person earns less than what the gov't calls poverty. But they have never cut a stick of firewood in their life, have never shoveled taters out of the dirt for their kids dinner.

They work 25 to 40 hours a week, get a nine thousand dollar tax refund check, gov't assistance with heat bills, groceries, and rent.

They spend 100 hours a week in front of the TV, gaming system, or computer. They carry a six hundred dollar smart phone around and pay $150-$300/month phone bill. And if they have ever missed a meal in their life.......it is only because their drug/alcohol habit took precedence over eating.

And they call them self poor. And WORSE, Obama calls them poor.

When the inevitable collapse of our artificially inflated economic system does occur. A BUNCH of folks are going to find out just exactly what the definition of poor is.


I think you nailed it. Well said my friend.


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Generosity of others helped immensely. The last 2 months were in the front yard of a family at this time of year. They allowed us to use their facilities.

I've been all over this planet. I've seen real depravity. American poor are far far from that...

We are blessed to be American


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Originally Posted by Blackheart
I didn't say anything about clean water or medical care. Some go without that too. I know because I have. How long in the back of a pickup ? I lived in a pickup camper {no pickup} from April to December one year. No electricity, no running water. Shyt in the woods like a bear. Bathed in the creek like a duck. Cooked over an open fire everyday while I saved up so I could afford to rent an apartment for winter. Meanwhile I was working full time. It weren't no goddam picnic.


Maybe it's time to get an education and improve your lot in life?


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Originally Posted by antelope_sniper


Maybe it's time to get an education and improve your lot in life?


Worked for me!


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Ain't no way to live in "the richest country in the world". Might be OK in a third world Country. Welfare folks are better off than many working folks and yet there are so many dumfuggs who wonder why so many are on welfare.

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Living off of the forced backs of others ain't no way to live life in the richest country in the world either.

Welfare is popular because it's easier than climbing out.

It's dependency by design.


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Originally Posted by oldtrapper
My t-shirt says:

Making a profit builds the economy.

;-{>8

You ain't got a [bleep] t-shirt.



What I got Chazbo, is the truth. Crack a smile outta that socialist stone-face of yourn.


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Originally Posted by HugAJackass
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Maybe it's time to get an education and improve your lot in life?


Worked for me!


Same here. Poor family with a drunken abusive father. My older brother is a self-made businessman. My younger brother is a nurse practitioner. And I did 26 years in the Air Force, retiring as a CMSgt ( highest enlisted grade) with a Masters Degree. If you WANT to succeed in America, there are many ways to do so. If you want to wallow, there is a lot of slop and plenty to share it with.


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Truth!


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Originally Posted by Blackheart
I didn't say anything about clean water or medical care. Some go without that too. I know because I have. How long in the back of a pickup ? I lived in a pickup camper {no pickup} from April to December one year. No electricity, no running water. Shyt in the woods like a bear. Bathed in the creek like a duck. Cooked over an open fire everyday while I saved up so I could afford to rent an apartment for winter. Meanwhile I was working full time. It weren't no goddam picnic.


I'm happy that you didn't break your parole so you could go back to 3 hots and a cock cot.

Good for you staying the course!


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Hurt my back loading hvacs onto delivery trucks in Syracuse, lost my job, evicted from my apartment, lived out of my rusted Buick skylark for 8 months. Would shower at the YMCA.

Got a job working 3rd shift at a gas station. Fellow employee there got wind of my circumstance and as broke as she was, she put me up in a hotel room for 30 days. I landed another job at the hotel and eventually got an apartment. Feet back under me, I joined the military.

Medically retired from there after 6 years and did contract work. Got laid off for 8 months. Men of the campfire rallied around and made sure my family didn't end up in the street. I got training on networking, developed a skill, got hired by IBM to do network security.

Still picking up the pieces of a slow, rough start to adulthood. But, I'm a long ways from picking soda and beer bottles out of the gutters to turn in at a nickle each so that I could buy a bit of food.

The generosity of others did me far more than having the Government steal the fruits of their labor and give it to me.

I can look in the mirror and know that it was the free will generosity of others that helped pick me up. I didn't need the Government to steal it from them by force.


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All possible because I live in the greatest nation on Earth. The most opportunity to climb out of the hole is right here for anyone that is willing to work for it.


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So you took plenty of charity and handouts. Not everybody will do that and instead suffer greatly. Doesn't sound like you did any great things as far as bettering yourself either but everybody on here likes to toot their own horn to high heaven for doing nothing special. Oh, and don't be completely stupid, If welfare was completely shut down tomorrow the gov't would continue to steal just as much of your money as they do now. They'd just waste it on something else instead.


























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He's smart enough to not live in that sheit hole called NY.


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Originally Posted by Blackheart
So you took plenty of charity and handouts. Not everybody will do that and instead suffer greatly. Doesn't sound like you did any great things as far as bettering yourself either but everybody on here likes to toot their own horn to high heaven for doing nothing special. Oh, and don't be completely stupid, If welfare was completely shut down tomorrow the gov't would continue to steal just as much of your money as they do now. They'd just waste it on something else instead.


and whats wrong with charity
and why not if it is freely given , inspired at times by the hand of God.At least every time he got knocked down he got back up and kept on trying and is probably paying it forward.God told us to help the unfortunate, I am in a bible study group that comes alongside each of the group when needed , encourages ,and supports, and we do it for others as well. our church has a program every fall that gives free car inspection to needy widows ,singles ,families WW fluid ww wipers top up brake and p steering fluids, check and inflate tires to specs and advise if needing replacement, did 85 cars 2 weeks ago ,and some auto supply + repair shops chipped in with oil anti freeze wipers ect.church also has FID ,program faith in deed donated 75000'oo into the community in different ways to help those in need, food ,tires . rent money living expences,ect ect, those that are to PROUD to accept help sometimes wallow in a rut insteas of accepting it then passing it on.

on the bald tire issue BTDT but i would go to the local repair shop this time of year and beg a set of castoffs somebody was leaving when they bought new ones, and collecting bottles and dumpster diving has provided many things ..
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Capitalism is organized crime? Then what is communism,fascism,socialism?

When it comes to creating and sustaining a prosperous society,history proves nothing else come close to capitalism,even if it isn't "perfect".

Whoever said that government is organized crime had it right. Mostly institutionalized corruption.It produces nothing and leaches off the production of capitalism.




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Why is it that liberals always have great faith in doing more of what has already failed?


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Collectivism ( communism, socialism, progressivism, liberalism, populism, democrats etc.) is organized armed robbery.


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Originally Posted by Cariboujack
Somebody is confused, the T-Shirt should have said

Government is Organized Crime[color:#009900][/color]
That makes better sense. Even better would be The State Is Organized Crime, because that includes the banking establishment with whom the government is in bed.

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