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Originally Posted by MadMooner


Of course it is. Confronted with the reality of a pregnant 9 yo or a rape victim, many prolife adherents relent.

There is nothing else you can call it.


In the face of human obstinence, even God relented on divorce. That still didn't make it right. So, what was your point?


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It is VERY well documented by sociologist that the drop in crime rates in the 80' and 90's is directly attributable to Roe v. Wade.


Dunno about that, I don't read sociologist's "research". I do read other research, though, and there were some published actuarial studies cross-referenced in a medical article I read some time ago that showed a very strong correlation between the huge abortion rate among black women and the reduction in crime rate.


The original work was done by Stephen Levitt, an Economist from the University of Chicago.


Thanks for the citation, A_S.


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Originally Posted by BarryC
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Of course it is. Confronted with the reality of a pregnant 9 yo or a rape victim, many prolife adherents relent.

There is nothing else you can call it.


In the face of human obstinence, even God relented on divorce. That still didn't make it right. So, what was your point?
Have you ever noticed that Preachers almost never talk about Mathew 19 verses 8,and 9 were Jesus says Moses was right,you can divorce your wife,but if you do for any reason other than adultry,then if you,or her gets remarried then it's adultry..If they did then it would bring a few holier than thou people down a peg...

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I've mulled the whole thing over in my mind for a while, and I really can't see a perfect solution that would work. Glad I don't have to make the decision for others.

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Originally Posted by HawkI
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It is VERY well documented by sociologist that the drop in crime rates in the 80' and 90's is directly attributable to Roe v. Wade.


Dunno about that, I don't read sociologist's "research". I do read other research, though, and there were some published actuarial studies cross-referenced in a medical article I read some time ago that showed a very strong correlation between the huge abortion rate among black women and the reduction in crime rate.


The original work was done by Stephen Levitt, an Economist from the University of Chicago.


I'm sure creating a problem to invent a solution wasn't lost on a commie like Levitt.....


Levitt is about the furthest think you can get from a Marxist Commie. He's a free market advocate that studies at Chicago while Milton Friedman was department chair.


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Originally Posted by DeereJohn2
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[quote=MadMooner]

Of course it is. Confronted with the reality of a pregnant 9 yo or a rape victim, many prolife adherents relent.

There is nothing else you can call it.


In the face of human obstinence, even God relented on divorce. That still didn't make it right. So, what was your point?
Have you ever noticed that Preachers almost never talk about Mathew 19 verses 8,and 9 were Jesus says Moses was right,you can divorce your wife,but if you do for any reason other than adultry,then if you,or her gets remarried then it's adultry..If they did then it would bring a few holier than thou people down a peg... [/quote
Right there plain as day, Read it several times

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Personally, I feel it's a very sick mind that can justify killing a child.

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And as well as why loose the child over the mother in a medical situation, either you are for ALL children or you are speaking out both sides of the mouth.


I usually like your posts, so want to understand what you are saying here. Are you saying if your wife is pregnant and something goes wrong, you would not try to save her even if it meant loosing the baby?


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the folks who post on this site knows for a fact is what is our most personal opinion, and set in concrete.

in other words, please take a position and then set it in concrete.

feel better now?

the truth is ephemeral. what?

for an old line follower of the mighty War God YHWH, the soul enters the physical body at the first breath of LIFE.

i guess interpretations vary. and so they should.


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Originally Posted by Gus
the folks who post on this site knows for a fact is what is our most personal opinion, and set in concrete.

in other words, please take a position and then set it in concrete.

feel better now?

the truth is ephemeral. what?

for an old line follower of the mighty War God YHWH, the soul enters the physical body at the first breath of LIFE.

i guess interpretations vary. and so they should.


Gus, don't confuse them with facts from their own holy book. There are also specific passages that endorse abortion, but that would just make their heads explode.


You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.

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Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
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the folks who post on this site knows for a fact is what is our most personal opinion, and set in concrete.

in other words, please take a position and then set it in concrete.

feel better now?

the truth is ephemeral. what?

for an old line follower of the mighty War God YHWH, the soul enters the physical body at the first breath of LIFE.

i guess interpretations vary. and so they should.


Gus, don't confuse them with facts from their own holy book. There are also specific passages that endorse abortion, but that would just make their heads explode.



ok, fair enough. so, just why did humans choose to bow down to the monkey/biological imperative to enjoin the females and males? because they felt like they had to, perhaps?

or was the payoff worthy of the risk? humans, breeding with humans, and when is enough, truly enough? anyone know for sure?


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humans running the earth. what a concept.

we've got some 19 billion of dollars in debt to der chinese and others, in various amounts.

if the earth housed 19 billion humans instead of the current 9 or 7 billion eaters, so what's the problem? anyone know for sure?

just how much output can this earth produce under the radience of the sun, and how should it be divided, allocated, or distributed? anyone know for sure?


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Originally Posted by Gus
humans running the earth. what a concept.

we've got some 19 billion of dollars in debt to der chinese and others, in various amounts.

if the earth housed 19 billion humans instead of the current 9 or 7 billion eaters, so what's the problem? anyone know for sure?

just how much output can this earth produce under the radience of the sun, and how should it be divided, allocated, or distributed? anyone know for sure?


Gus,

When you talk about dividing and distributing, you are going down a real [bleep] commie road. Are you a Communist Marxist?


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Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
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humans running the earth. what a concept.

we've got some 19 billion of dollars in debt to der chinese and others, in various amounts.

if the earth housed 19 billion humans instead of the current 9 or 7 billion eaters, so what's the problem? anyone know for sure?

just how much output can this earth produce under the radience of the sun, and how should it be divided, allocated, or distributed? anyone know for sure?


Gus,

When you talk about dividing and distributing, you are going down a real [bleep] commie road. Are you a Communist Marxist?



well, uh, no. but on the other hand, there's tons of folks who travel with us, for better or worse.

to further state, we've strayed off the main road, into the commie/socialist road long long ago. and no one ever bothered to lift a finger. ya know?

why can't we start at the base line zero point, and move forward from there? we've got the Earth, it's ability to produce annual and multi-year production. we humans have the ability to process the annual production, mine gold, silver, oil, etc. and fish in the ocean for protein.

anything else? does anybody know for sure?


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Originally Posted by Gus
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humans running the earth. what a concept.

we've got some 19 billion of dollars in debt to der chinese and others, in various amounts.

if the earth housed 19 billion humans instead of the current 9 or 7 billion eaters, so what's the problem? anyone know for sure?

just how much output can this earth produce under the radience of the sun, and how should it be divided, allocated, or distributed? anyone know for sure?


Gus,

When you talk about dividing and distributing, you are going down a real [bleep] commie road. Are you a Communist Marxist?



well, uh, no. but on the other hand, there's tons of folks who travel with us, for better or worse.

to further state, we've strayed off the main road, into the commie/socialist road long long ago. and no one ever bothered to lift a finger. ya know?

why can't we start at the base line zero point, and move forward from there? we've got the Earth, it's ability to produce annual and multi-year production. we humans have the ability to process the annual production, mine gold, silver, oil, etc. and fish in the ocean for protein.

anything else? does anybody know for sure?


Gus, what do you mean by "begin at a base line zero point".

Are you saying I have to give up everything and hope the collective decides to give me back more then what they took from me so we could get to your "baseline point", or are you advocating that we wipe the existing laws from the books and start over?

If you are suggestion zero base budgeting, I'm all for making every government agency justify every dollar of spending over zero every year.


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Originally Posted by Dutch
It is VERY well documented by sociologist that the drop in crime rates in the 80' and 90's is directly attributable to Roe v. Wade.


I'll disagree. I don't think the urban breeders ever cared about abortion. Assuming urban children are crime-prone, I don't think abortion has reduced crime.

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Originally Posted by Dutch
It is VERY well documented by sociologist that the drop in crime rates in the 80' and 90's is directly attributable to Roe v. Wade.


I'll disagree. I don't think the urban breeders ever cared about abortion. Assuming urban children are crime-prone, I don't think abortion has reduced crime.


Here's the paper where it was first published:

http://www.jstor.org/stable/2696468?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents


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for an old line follower of the mighty War God YHWH, the soul enters the physical body at the first breath of LIFE.

i guess interpretations vary. and so they should.


Gus, don't confuse them with facts from their own holy book. There are also specific passages that endorse abortion, but that would just make their heads explode.
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Originally Posted by R_H_Clark
Personally, I feel it's a very sick mind that can justify killing a child.


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Originally Posted by djs
Originally Posted by Dutch
It is VERY well documented by sociologist that the drop in crime rates in the 80' and 90's is directly attributable to Roe v. Wade.


I'll disagree. I don't think the urban breeders ever cared about abortion. Assuming urban children are crime-prone, I don't think abortion has reduced crime.


I'll take the documented facts over that attempt at a thought.


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