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Those are nice.

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Originally Posted by shrapnel
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A 40-65 is on my hit list Schrap, either a '74 Sharps or '86 Winchester, nice piece there.


I have another 40-65 marked W.F. Sheard Livingston, Montana. They are great to shoot and don't beat you up. The 40-65 will still completely penetrate a deer...

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What would be the description meaning of Mr. Sheard, Shrapnel, was he a Gunsmith or Dealer of the day?


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Originally Posted by EthanEdwards
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Would that be a '76 in 45-75 EE? Very nice!
Uberti flavor. I have seen some pretty nice originals but they would be exceedingly high-dollar.


10-4 on the originals EE, you simply would not believe what landed in my lap on a trade deal Monday, it's such an abomination it doesn't rate mere mention in this forum, but it did come with two boxes of factory ammo, I have new brass, bullets and dies on the way. shocked blush lol


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AWWWww, C'mon Man, don't keep us all guessing.

That's just MEAN !

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Originally Posted by gunner500
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A 40-65 is on my hit list Schrap, either a '74 Sharps or '86 Winchester, nice piece there.


I have another 40-65 marked W.F. Sheard Livingston, Montana. They are great to shoot and don't beat you up. The 40-65 will still completely penetrate a deer...

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What would be the description meaning of Mr. Sheard, Shrapnel, was he a Gunsmith or Dealer of the day?


Sheard was a gun dealer and outfitter in Livingston, Montana until 1892 when he moved to Tacoma, Washington. He was somewhat like his contemporary in Bozeman, Walter Cooper who was another frontier entrepreneur, selling guns and sporting equipment in the 1870's and 1880's...


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I'm looking somewhat fondly over at an '86 in '45-90, Browning Utah marked, '88 SN that looks to have been part of the Pleasant Valley War.


I have a 2nd year 1886 40-65 made in 1887 stamped "Browning Bros". It is also a single set trigger rifle...

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Dang, Shrap! That .40-60 is too much gun for deer! You purt near turned him inside out! laugh

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gotta admit I like the idea of a .38-55 or .40-65 as well.


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Original 1876 in 45-75...

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Originally Posted by crossfireoops
AWWWww, C'mon Man, don't keep us all guessing.

That's just MEAN !

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Serial #31xxx, a 1914 year model '07 Winchester in 351 S.L., sweet little gun and fun to shoot, it's in wonderful condition and un-bubba'd, zeroed it at 50 yards Thurs afternoon with the factory ammo.grin


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That deer still had travel plans when he lost complete control of his guidance systems Ed. grin


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Originally Posted by tex_n_cal
gotta admit I like the idea of a .38-55 or .40-65 as well.


I have a 38-55 in a '94 Tex, fun gun, but yes, a 40-65 in a nice Sharps or '86 Winchester would be really really nice to have and shoot, funner still to add weight to the freezer box floor with 'em too. smile


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Originally Posted by shrapnel

Original 1876 in 45-75...

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Nice, appears the 76's may be of the toggle link persuasion?


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Originally Posted by gunner500
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Would that be a '76 in 45-75 EE? Very nice!
Uberti flavor. I have seen some pretty nice originals but they would be exceedingly high-dollar.


10-4 on the originals EE, you simply would not believe what landed in my lap on a trade deal Monday, it's such an abomination it doesn't rate mere mention in this forum, but it did come with two boxes of factory ammo, I have new brass, bullets and dies on the way. shocked blush lol
You are a bad influence. I have looked all over for 45-75 dies because I absolutely hate ordering off the internet. After reading your post, I broke down and ordered some last night.

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The '76 is basically an elongated version of the '73...Winchester's attempt to compete with Sharps on the Buffalo prairies. It was more successful with normal hunters than market types. The '86 was all the '76 tried to be but a day late and a dollar short for the big shaggies that were pretty much shot out by the time it hit the west. The 1881 Marlin in 45-70 is a fine weapon, but a bit late for the Buffs also.

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There was a collector up in Alberta years ago that displayed several NWMP Carbines, both the original early models, and the "New Pattern".
Replacing their clapped out Sniders with the 45-75s must have made for some fairly happy (and formidable) Mounties,....and the legend and lore surrounding those Carbine's exploits is a fundamental component of Western Canadian History,....Batoche, Duck Lake, Riel, DuMont, etc.

Here's a good read about one of em',...talk about provenance.

Link: http://www.antiquearmsinc.com/winch...nted-police-rcmp-legion-frontiersmen.htm

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I was surprised at the recoil. I had always read about how inferior to the 45-70 the 45-75 was. The recoil on mine must be on a par with factory Rem 405's, which don't recoil terribly in 45-70 terms, but still demand respect.

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Originally Posted by crossfireoops
There was a collector up in Alberta years ago that displayed several NWMP Carbines, both the original early models, and the "New Pattern".
Replacing their clapped out Sniders with the 45-75s must have made for some fairly happy (and formidable) Mounties,....and the legend and lore surrounding those Carbine's exploits is a fundamental component of Western Canadian History,....Batoche, Duck Lake, Riel, DuMont, etc.

Here's a good read about one of em',...talk about provenance.

Link: http://www.antiquearmsinc.com/winch...nted-police-rcmp-legion-frontiersmen.htm

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I would think that the '76 would have been a comforting thing for an LEO back in those days. IIRC, those were full-stocked "muskets".

I once had the chance to buy a new Winchester '73. It still was in the factory cosmoline. It was a musket, made for the Australian military, IIRC. There was a rack of them this old boy had. $2300. I have lamented not purchasing it then and there, manys the time.

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NWMP ?

Saddle ring Carbines with almost full length wood forends, musket style, as it were....no bayonet

....Win. DID make a longer Musket,....dunno who used em.

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Originally Posted by crossfireoops
NWMP ?

Saddle ring Carbines

....Win. DID make a longer Musket,....dunno who used em.

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Gotcha. I don't know who used the '76 muskets either.

Here's another "wet" shot of the '76.

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Whether carbine length or full length musket, the stout wood protection over the fragile magazine tube made sense.

Fuzzy on this, but I THINK that that same bunch (NWMP) were savvy enough to pick the S&W Scofield in .44 Russian as their sidearm.

....well armed crew.

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