Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunting Rifles A Tale Of Two 308's... 84 MT vs. 70 EW

Thanks JMR40

Opinions are all over the place, but I much prefer a rig weighing around 8lbs all up minus ammo. Especially if the the long ball might be an option. Just how I roll.

I'm actually shocked that the weights are so close. The EW comes in way lower than I expected.

Two elk lived to hump another day this year because they only offered me shots for a split second on the far side of 250. It didn't matter in the end because the third one gave me an easy 40 yard offhand. I'm pretty sure the first two would have been dead if I had a different rifle.

Heading to the range this morning to shoot the .308. Last time I shot this rifle it put 3 shots in the same hole and the last two through the same hole only 1/4" apart from the first three. 46.5gr Varget, and the cool thing is both the 150 accubonds and 150 partitions shoot the same POI. Yea..I'll never sell this rifle.

One 155 Scenar from the first ridge in the background... Shoulda' kept that one!

Tanner

I've always thought the lighter rifle should not shoot as well in the field, but my informal comparisons have not supported that. I've shot groups at 100yds offhand with the 84M and with a much heavier rifle. Really no meaningful difference. I do think long range where you can use a bipod or rest is better (easier) with the heavier rifle. I'll have to play with this more and come up with a more definitive answer.

I tend to agree with Brad on the rifle weight and shooting comments. Recently acquiring both a LA and SA Kimber MT, I'm surprised how well I shoot them offhand.

A question on the McM Edge on the EW - what pattern is it? I had my 300 WSM EW out last night and am seriously considering an Edge for it. I don't dislike the B&C EW stock but really like the McM series. I suspect I won't save much weight as my EW B&C SA weighs ~ 28 oz. All of the Edge stocks I've gotten have weighed 23-24 oz with 1" Decelerator affixed. I also don't like the Edge Compact - it is too short for my likes.

Another good thread.

Has anyone here ever tried a series of cold bore, first shots,with their light vs heavy rifles, from various field positions,and watched where they go as opposed to shooting "groups" in a series of three or whatever?


And done it over a few sessions to watch what happens?

I know groups are wonderful things but can't recall the last time an animal hung around long enough for me to shoot a group on them.

It seems to me that's the only measure of "shooting well", from a hunting perspective,that really counts(?)

Agreed.




Travis

I'm going to make my Kimber a .243 just so I can shoot it more in one session. After about 20 rounds with the 155's my shooting starts to suffer.



Travis

What is EW weight as shown above in the B&C, closer to 7-12?

Yes. We use milk jugs.

To the 400 there is no difference. For me.



Travis

I'm gonna ask Rick to put this guy on a syllable restriction.

JFC.



Travis

This is what I do. The two rifles are much different (although both .308) one being a Rem Mtn. rifle, bedded in an Edge, Rifle Basix trigger and a Leupold 2.5-8 CDS in Talley LW's. Never had it on a scale but it's light.

The other a Rem VSF, bedded in a H.S. stock, Rifle Basix trigger, Leupold 4.5-14 CDS also in Talley's. My loads will shoot equally well in either but the most accurate tend to be Scenar 155's.

I've shot both to 800yds (really hard to find a place to shoot distance here-that is "long range" for my area), off a bipod with rear bag. I've confirmed the range card for each rifle with each load I'll shoot and give them cold bore first shot runs and then groups of three. The only noticeable factor is both will print to slightly different point of aim if shot cold/clean bore.

It is easier to do "tight group" work with the VSF but keeping it on steel (vital area) is not difficult with the Mtn. And the lower magnification is not a problem to 800yds.

Travis/David kinda figured that would be the case for the guys who shoot a lot.

Montana is pretty much a turn-key deal, not so much with the M70. But 1# of rifle is hardly enough to worry over...

It is if a weekends worth of living is loaded on your back.




Travis

Yeah man...... Six cases of Bud Light can weigh you down... thank god for 6lb rifles.

6?

I'd be a millionaire if that were the case.




Dave