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Picking up one of these Brno 22 models in 8mm wearing an full stock. They seem like nice little rifles and well made. Just wondering what folks felt about them.
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My favorite. I have a difficult time passing any of them up when they come available.
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Kind of reminds me, should get this one out and use it for upcoming doe season. 22h in 7x57..
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Beautiful guns. The safety is subpar but given how nice they are otherwise I forgive it.
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Sure like mine in 8mm .one of my favorite rifles.
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One of the coolest small ring M98's ever produced. I owned numerous 21H's but never a 22F.
A few of the F models were made with the integral bridges/mounts. Does the one you're looking at have them?
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No mounts or provisions for optics on this one. I'm kinda torn if I should leave it as is or add optics. I want optics but at the same time it's nice to have an pristine receiver.
Monday is the day I am to pick it up and then I can get some pics posted.
If I decide to add optics I'll need to find someone who works on these style of Mausers, so some suggestions for that would be greatly appreciated.
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These 'euro' hunting rifles were mentioned on the net as the finest of their day. I got one 22F and also the similar 21H (half stock). Here is mine at the top of the picture. It's barrel is marked MADE IN CZECHOSLOVAKIA 7.9 it's 5 digit sn and 48, most likely the year made. The receiver is marked ZBROJOVKA BRNO, NARODNI PODNIK With the Kahles 2-7X and 20" bbl it weighs 7#15oz. I have the similar 21H (half stock) 7.0 and 48 as the year made. with it's 20" bbl it's 7#9oz. and it has the single trigger. I had the M70 type Dakota safety put on them. It's one piece scope mount must be factory and fits on male dovetails built into the receivers front and rear rings. This low mount would only allow the small Leu. VARI-X 3-9 Compact to fit. This is well done machinery. The other bolt rifles are not ZB Brono.
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No mounts or provisions for optics on this one. I'm kinda torn if I should leave it as is or add optics. I want optics but at the same time it's nice to have an pristine receiver.
Monday is the day I am to pick it up and then I can get some pics posted.
If I decide to add optics I'll need to find someone who works on these style of Mausers, so some suggestions for that would be greatly appreciated. I work on them... Send it on over... I am here to help.
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I'm waiting on some Leopold cz high rings for mine. Hope they work out
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Thats elegant and has an simple beauty.
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Man I want one of these for a dedicated irons only rifle. The ones Ive handled have an attention to detail only found on fine SxS shotguns.
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Picking up one of these Brno 22 models in 8mm wearing an full stock. They seem like nice little rifles and well made. Just wondering what folks felt about them. Love it when these come up for discussion. They are well made, utterly fantastic rifles. As stated the safety, while functional, is a bit awkward. The magazine follower on mine is not beveled. My rifle is quite accurate, with 200 gr TSX's - especially for an open-sighted rifle. I've never weighed it, but there is something to be said for an elk-capable rifle that carries like a Winchester 94. Kaiser Norton
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I bought a 7x57 when I lived in Alberta. I just never warmed up to it so down the road it went.
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Mine is a 7X57. If I were to be limited to one rifle, this would be it.
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I have a pristine 21H (carbine) in 7X57. Elmo say's it's his but don't believe him.
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I don't know these aren't any more popular than they are. They only cost $167.50
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TC, at that price I might be able to stand both of those rifles. The problem at the time, what was the price of a model 70?
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This came up before and someone posted these were actually more than a M70 at the time. Having owned both I would pick the little BRNO in a heartbeat.
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I would also but at the time the Model 70 was the competition. The BRNO's are very nice little rifles.. Just have very few of them, a 21f and 22h. Oh and a pretty nice ZG47. All in 7x57..
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FYI There is a 22f at cabelas in Tualatin Oregon, Its 1500.00 i think chamerd in 8x57. It has claw mounts but no rings. Might be real spendy to put rings on it...tj3006
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FYI There is a 22f at cabelas in Tualatin Oregon, Its 1500.00 i think chamerd in 8x57. It has claw mounts but no rings. Might be real spendy to put rings on it...tj3006
Thanks. I noticed that listing. I'm still undecided if I go optic or stay irons.
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That Carbine has a high lust factor TC!
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Well, I got the Leupold CZ highs and they barely DON'T clear a VX 3 2.5x8. What scopes are small enough to clear the bolt handle?
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Using a VX2 2 -7 x 28 here. It just clear the bolt handle. Not a long list of choices.
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I love my 7x57 round top 22F. With 175 Partitions I can generally hold 1" groups out to 80 yards or so with the open sights. I sold my 21H for a pristine ZG47 30-06.
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Does it have the butterknife bolt handle? What mounts do you have?
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Actually the same arrangement you went with on the rings and yes a butter knife handle.
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From my post above: "It's one piece scope mount must be factory and fits on male dovetails built into the receivers front and rear rings. This low mount would only allow the small Leu. VARI-X 3-9 Compact to fit. This is well done machinery." Perhaps this may help.
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Looks like your bolt handle has been modified.
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While my 21h is not a primary rifle I got it out to handle and a check of it's last outing at the range shows it put two 162 gr Amax into 2" at a hundred yards then the next two 1" high at 200 yds into a 1/2" 'group'.
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Tried an old Weaver K-4 I had. Bingo, fits perfect! More period correct also.
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Since I can't seem to find an old euro scope I like the price of, looking to put a Leupold M8 4x28 on my 22f
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OP, you're going to like your new rifle. I have three of them, ( bottom to top) a 22F 7x57, and a 21H 7x64 and a 21F 8x57. I used the 8x57 this fall to take a bull elk on the run, really like the way these rifles handle. I have upgraded the safeties on all mine, to a model 70 style. I replaced the double trigger on the 22F and did some other minor upgrades on all three. The are now near perfect artistic hunting rigs.
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How did you do the safety modification?
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I purchased a Dakota safety / bolt shroud for the two 7mm's, ( Brownell part 359-141-070WB Model 70-Style Shroud Mfr Part: EMUNNN001 approx. $150) and a Recknagel for the 8mm.
The Recknagel came from NECG, cost a bout $250 and is a very very good safety / shroud. It is silver colour however, not my first preference. It has a locking tab that is particularly nice. Press down with your thumb while moving it off safe, instinctive and smooth with zero chance of bumping the safety off accidentally.
The old shroud is removed, the new one simply screwed on, however the notch for the safety catch on the firing pin must be properly fitted by a gunsmith. All in, about a $300 job. Well worth it IMHO.
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Just a few more comments:
About the name - these rifles are actually not made by "CZ Brno" but by Zbrojofka Brno, a rival factory that was taken over by CZ a few years ago.
An a comment for all those frustrated by mounting a scope on these rifles with the butterknife bolt handle. If you have the factory receiver dovetail model, a really wonderful receiver sight is made by Recknagel sold by NECG. Fits with no gunsmithing, instantly removable and replaced without losing zero, excellent sight picture. I put one on my 8x57.
Talley medium QD ringmounts work well if you have the round bolt handle version.
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8x57 rebored and rechambered to 9.3x62mm and stock work done by a member here
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OP, you're going to like your new rifle. I have three of them, ( bottom to top) a 22F 7x57, and a 21H 7x64 and a 21F 8x57. I used the 8x57 this fall to take a bull elk on the run, really like the way these rifles handle. I have upgraded the safeties on all mine, to a model 70 style. I replaced the double trigger on the 22F and did some other minor upgrades on all three. The are now near perfect artistic hunting rigs. C&B, what is the difference between the 21F and the 22F aside from chambering? Thanks, Geo
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You did really good! That is beautiful.
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Thanks Whitebird. I ended up finding one for sale so I got to keep the ZKW. They are the same year, both in super condition, they make a nice pair. I do need a shooter in half stock though.
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That's a real pretty pair, is that a 21 or 22 with the factory standard bolt handle knob? Nice! The ZKW looks well loved.
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Oh, the ZKW465's I'd been wanting one for years. I broke down last year and bought one. Very nice little rifles.
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That's a real pretty pair, is that a 21 or 22 with the factory standard bolt handle knob? Nice! The ZKW looks well loved. The half stocks are 21 and the full stock are 22...see the advertisement in one of the posts above. Yes it is the model 21 factory round bolt, the last of the 21's made use of the Zg47 bolt handle...but not the bolt body, they still used the bolt body with the oval holes where the Zg47 has round holes under the bolt body. I cheated by using the '56 21 bolt and machined the 1950 action to the same spec as the '56, this gave me a 1950 model 21 with fine checkering in 7x64 Brenneke with a factory round bolt and dual dovetails. The holy grail. Happy birthday to me, ha....
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Great eye candy on this thread.
I will bust open the piggy-bank if I can find a nice Brno in the 7x57 mm.
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That's what I just got (7x57)
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Great eye candy on this thread.
I will bust open the piggy-bank if I can find a nice Brno in the 7x57 mm. There's a decent one on GB right now. I have never seen a 21 or 22 local, I did find my ZKW local.
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FYI There is a 22f at cabelas in Tualatin Oregon, Its 1500.00 i think chamerd in 8x57. It has claw mounts but no rings. Might be real spendy to put rings on it...tj3006 Fifteen hundred is too much for something like that and putting rings on Suhler mount in America is foolishness. I want to help and here is weapon easily equal to the Czech rifle>> Made in West Germany for hunting goods retailer.... Quality American steel rings and bases plus nice very usable scope are major bonuses. This outfit should be good to about 300m. It is just as good as Brno rifle. You like?
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C&B, what is the difference between the 21F and the 22F aside from chambering?
Thanks, Geo
There is some confusion about the nomenclature. If I understand correctly, the model 21 is the long barrel version and 22 is the carbine. Both were made in full stock ( F) and half stock ( H ) versions. The long barrel full stock versions are quite rare. I have seen model 21-22 rifles in 7x57, 7x64, 8x57IS, and 8x60S, and I believe some may have been made in 9.3x62 and 6.5x57 as well. Both models came in round top on the older versions and double square bridge & grooved receiver on the newer ones, double set triggers on nearly all, and a very few with a single trigger. butterknife bolt was standard, with a few later ones with round knob bolt better for low scope mounting. My 8x57IS 21H was a real find with the round knob bolt and single trigger.
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There is no confusion at all, the advertisement shown in a previous post clearly depicts the half stock model as 721, and the full stock model as 722.
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Not confusing to you, but that poster is from the USA, they were not marketed in Canada with the "7" as part of the model number, just 21H or 22F, and sometimes 21F and 22H. I have seen several rifles advertised that mixed up the designations 21 and 22, so at least some people are confused.
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C&B, what is the difference between the 21F and the 22F aside from chambering?
Thanks, Geo
There is some confusion about the nomenclature. If I understand correctly, the model 21 is the long barrel version and 22 is the carbine. Both were made in full stock ( F) and half stock ( H ) versions. The long barrel full stock versions are quite rare. I have seen model 21-22 rifles in 7x57, 7x64, 8x57IS, and 8x60S, and I believe some may have been made in 9.3x62 and 6.5x57 as well. Both models came in round top on the older versions and double square bridge & grooved receiver on the newer ones, double set triggers on nearly all, and a very few with a single trigger. butterknife bolt was standard, with a few later ones with round knob bolt better for low scope mounting. My 8x57IS 21H was a real find with the round knob bolt and single trigger. The most powerful chambering I have seen for sale was .358 Magnum.
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C&B, what is the difference between the 21F and the 22F aside from chambering?
Thanks, Geo
There is some confusion about the nomenclature. If I understand correctly, the model 21 is the long barrel version and 22 is the carbine. Both were made in full stock ( F) and half stock ( H ) versions. The long barrel full stock versions are quite rare. I have seen model 21-22 rifles in 7x57, 7x64, 8x57IS, and 8x60S, and I believe some may have been made in 9.3x62 and 6.5x57 as well. Both models came in round top on the older versions and double square bridge & grooved receiver on the newer ones, double set triggers on nearly all, and a very few with a single trigger. butterknife bolt was standard, with a few later ones with round knob bolt better for low scope mounting. My 8x57IS 21H was a real find with the round knob bolt and single trigger. The most powerful chambering I have seen for sale was .358 Magnum. As a factory offering in a Brno 21/22? If that was a 358 Norma Mag that came out in 1959, I would think that is after they stopped making the 21/22...which I thought was 55/56ish.
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The .358Norma, was offered later in the later and inferior ZKK series, NOT in the 21/22 series.
I have sold most of my Brnos, but, owned several 21/22 series, ZG-47s and ZKKS, I have only one 21 and one ZG action left and a few custom rifles on each of these.
The Parker-Hale Hussar was on the superb ZG action and WAS factory chambered in .308Norma, I know of one re-barreled to .358NM.
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This came up before and someone posted these were actually more than a M70 at the time. Having owned both I would pick the little BRNO in a heartbeat. That is because there was high tax in USA on imports from behind the Iron Curtain at that time. Sure, these are nicest mass-produced post WWII rifles out there. Would I sell my old Winchester 70 to buy one of these rifles. No. That is because there is no beating old Model 70 for ruggedness and reliability. Besides model number I do not know the difference between ZG-47 and Model 21/22.
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This came up before and someone posted these were actually more than a M70 at the time. Having owned both I would pick the little BRNO in a heartbeat. That is because there was high tax in USA on imports from behind the Iron Curtain at that time. Sure, these are nicest mass-produced post WWII rifles out there. Would I sell my old Winchester 70 to buy one of these rifles. No. That is because there is no beating old Model 70 for ruggedness and reliability. Besides model number I do not know the difference between ZG-47 and Model 21/22. Then why bother posting if you don't have a single clue, you smarmy miserable piece of [bleep]. Now kindly [bleep] off and die a slow miserable death somewhere away from the sight of decent men.
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Oh, the ZKW465's I'd been wanting one for years. I broke down last year and bought one. Very nice little rifles. That is nice little mini-Mauser. The new short-barreled carbine is even better because some are chambered for old M43 assault rifle cartridge. I think S&B, Federal, Winchester, Remington offer soft points in that caliber. This is great alternative to old Winchester .30 centerfire Model 1894.
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This came up before and someone posted these were actually more than a M70 at the time. Having owned both I would pick the little BRNO in a heartbeat. That is because there was high tax in USA on imports from behind the Iron Curtain at that time. Sure, these are nicest mass-produced post WWII rifles out there. Would I sell my old Winchester 70 to buy one of these rifles. No. That is because there is no beating old Model 70 for ruggedness and reliability. Besides model number I do not know the difference between ZG-47 and Model 21/22. Then why bother posting if you don't have a single clue, you smarmy miserable piece of [bleep]. Now kindly [bleep] off and die a slow miserable death somewhere away from the sight of decent men. A wonderful alternative is legendary 1950s Winchester Model 70 'Featherweight' in .30-06. That is Model 70 with alloy bottom metal 5cm shorter barrel of lighter contour than standard rifle. The handling qualities of that .30-06 are outstanding even by todays standards. Good samples with some field wear but in excellent mechanical order and excellent barrel rifling with no throat erosion can often be found for half the cost of the old Brno rifles.
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Just wanted to thank folks for all the info and pics about these Brno rifles. Took mine out and enjoyed touching off some 8mm rounds. What fun.
The recently I got an an IPhone 6 and I still am not able to host and paste pics under photobucket. Anyway I am thankful for all your kind messages and will put up some pics as soon as I figure this host business out. Also have an similiar Sako Forester and Steyr Mannlicher I'll put up as well.
Thanks again.
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