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yes I would agree on the final drive ratio but the low end is where the difference is. the T is in the same ball park @ 60 mph.
It's funny that some think the Toy is trying to be a 2500, If that were the case it would have been labeled as such.

I too have a 2500, a 2000 Dodge with a cummins, it gets the heavy work and handles it quite well but again, for a half ton the toy truck shines..

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If someone pulls into my place up North driving a jap made vehicle asking to hunt there I will say no.

If they drive up in a USA made vehicle I will like that.

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yes I would agree on the final drive ratio but the low end is where the difference is. the T is in the same ball park @ 60 mph.
It's funny that some think the Toy is trying to be a 2500, If that were the case it would have been labeled as such.

I too have a 2500, a 2000 Dodge with a cummins, it gets the heavy work and handles it quite well but again, for a half ton the toy truck shines..
That's what they're tellling customers. I've talked to a couple Toyota dealers and both told me that all the parts on a Tundra are rated for a 3/4 ton except the springs. If that's the case, why don't they swap springs and market a 3/4?


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Originally Posted by Savage_99
If someone pulls into my place up North driving a Toyota asking to hunt there I will say no.

If they drive up in a USA made vehicle I will like that.


My Toyota was made in Texas Genius

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I think That a lot of the guys are believing that because they have heard this story from Dodge and Ford regarding the 3/4 ton VS 1 ton

The only difference there is the springs and running lights. ..... Oh and the ride quality. My 2500 has a 6'6" bed with the 3/4 ton suspension. It's plenty stiff with E rated tires. With the 1 ton springs it would be wicked stiff!

I think that the Toyota has the lighter springs for the majority that never come close to design limits. Then they have a nice comfortable ride. I wonder if the axles could actually handle the 3/4 ton loads, of if the Transmissions could actually handle a 10,000 pound trailer at 65mph up a 7000ft mountain pass, or if the brakes are big enough to handle the stopping duty on the down hills? Try this from Indiana to Sacramento across the mountains monthly? That's the real difference, not the intermittent heavy loads, but the routine loads like a 28' fifth wheel going across country? The horse trailer pulled weekly over a mountain pass etc..



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I had a F-150 and looked at the 2015 and 2016 Tundra to upgrade for towing. They had more hp but no improved towing or hauling rating from the factory engineers.

I did some additional research to form my own opinion regarding the "spin" that the Tundra salesperson gave me about capability being beyond 1/2 ton performance.

One discovery was about gearing and the low axle ratio he bragged about. It is the impact of transmission ratios on final drive ratio the Toyota does bother to explain. Smoke and mirrors.

Tundra Gears ratio's (cut and paste from Edmunds.com)

Transmission ratios (x:1)
I = 3.33; II = 1.96; III = 1.35; IV = 1.00; V = 0.73; VI = 0.59
Final-drive ratio (x:1) 4.30


F-250 ratios from Ford website (cut and paste)

Gear Ratios (to :1)
1st 3.97
2nd 2.31
3rd 1.51
4th 1.14
5th 0.85
6th 0.67
Reverse 3.12

The Tundra 1st gear is some 15% taller than the F-250.
The tundra 6th gear is some 12% or so taller than the F-250.
The Tundra axle is some 13% or so lower than the F-250.

In practicality, the final ratios in each are at basic parity.

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Originally Posted by JJHACK
I think That a lot of the guys are believing that because they have heard this story from Dodge and Ford regarding the 3/4 ton VS 1 ton

The only difference there is the springs and running lights. .....


Bigger brakes, master cylinder, radiator, and differentials don't count as differences between 3/4 and 1 ton?

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I think That a lot of the guys are believing that because they have heard this story from Dodge and Ford regarding the 3/4 ton VS 1 ton

The only difference there is the springs and running lights. ..... Oh and the ride quality. My 2500 has a 6'6" bed with the 3/4 ton suspension. It's plenty stiff with E rated tires. With the 1 ton springs it would be wicked stiff!
It does appear to be true for the Dodge. I have an '08 Dodge 2500. I went to a couple auto parts sites and checked a bunch of suspension and brake parts compared to a 3500. All were the same parts. I didn't find any parts that weren't used on both models.
Before we bought it, we test drove an identical 3500. It was an animal. If you need a 1 ton, fine, get one, but don't buy one for a daily driver. It's a miserable ride.


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They are not different on the 2500 vs 3500 for the gen 3 dodge with the Cummins 5.9. Quite often dealers sell the 3500's for the same price or less too

This topic has been beaten to death on the Cummins forum. Folks on that site said the same was true with the fords.

The brakes btw are identical in every aspect on the gen 3



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Originally Posted by Savage_99
If someone pulls into my place up North driving a jap made vehicle asking to hunt there I will say no.

If they drive up in a USA made vehicle I will like that.


The Tundra is designed and assembled in Texas, and is second only to Ford with the most American parts. I think you should be telling guys in Chevys and Dodges to hunt elsewhere.
As far as the Tundra being a 1/2 ton truck, it is. It is not a 3/4 ton. For limited towing as the OP use, it would be better in my opinion to get any brand 1/2 ton.

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Originally Posted by Savage_99
If someone pulls into my place up North driving a jap made vehicle asking to hunt there I will say no.

If they drive up in a USA made vehicle I will like that.


Damn...

All my plans to show up and ask you to hunt just got blown to hell

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Originally Posted by TrevorG

My Toyota was made in Texas Genius

Originally Posted by huntsman22
he thinks they're made in china.......


The money still goes out of the country. That is, unless Japan is a now a part of the USA.

Toyota Corporate Office Headquarters
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Toyota-Shi, ACH 471-8571 Japan


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Originally Posted by TrevorG
Originally Posted by Savage_99
If someone pulls into my place up North driving a Toyota asking to hunt there I will say no.

If they drive up in a USA made vehicle I will like that.


My Toyota was made in Texas Genius


Mine was made in San Antonio.

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Originally Posted by MIVHNTR
Originally Posted by TrevorG

My Toyota was made in Texas Genius

Originally Posted by huntsman22
he thinks they're made in china.......


The money still goes out of the country. That is, unless Japan is a now a part of the USA.

Toyota Corporate Office Headquarters
Toyota Motor Corporation
1, Toyota-cho
Toyota-Shi, ACH 471-8571 Japan


Toyota is a publicly traded company. So the "money" goes to the stock holders world wide. Labor is paid in the US and so are the parts. Paper pushers are in Japan. Corporate offices are held by many US companies abroad to avoid taxes. Corporations are a big scam, in the US, in England, in Korea. It is a big world of thieves. Best you can hope for is parts and labor, and that is the real world. It is not 1946.

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For that matter, Chrysler is owned by Fiat, located in London. My Dodge pickup was made in Mexico.


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I have a 2014 Tundra, limited, 4x4, 5.7, tow option.
It had (when new) the highest tow rating of any 1/2 ton.
Smooth and quiet ride.
I pull a 26 ft TT with no problem.

BTW, made in Texas, engine made in Alabama.
It is an American truck, regardless what the haters say!

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Thanks for all the responses guys. About what I thought I'd hear, but I'm glad to hear everyone's experience.

I bought my F-150 right after the auto industry bailouts, and only considered Ford just due to their turning down the gov't money. I've had really good luck with my F-150 all things considered. But I have never heard anyone who owns a Tundra say a bad thing about them.

As for the Tundras, is the TRD package worth it for extra protection and ability off the pavement? Most concerned about the skidplates (or lack of), but aftermarket are always options too.


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Originally Posted by Foss

As for the Tundras, is the TRD package worth it for extra protection and ability off the pavement? Most concerned about the skidplates (or lack of), but aftermarket are always options too.


In my opinion, no.

Go aftermarket on the skid plates, the TRD ones aren't very good.

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