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Cummins,
You keep talking about western hunting, what was the last thing you killed in the west?
Your list implies you know wtf you're doing, so I'm curious.
Thanks!
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I think it's reasonable to have both turrets and the doohickey marks on the vertical. It's called redundancy. There have been times I have made successful quick shots using reticle holdover only with no time to spin the turret. Shots from 250 out to 450 yds.
I giggle a little when I hear people that "need" to see reticle holdover points on low power and low light. Chances are that if a shot is to be taken at low power and low light, the target will be within MPBR of most any big game center fire cartridge. Hold center and squeeze.
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Cummins,
You keep talking about western hunting, what was the last thing you killed in the west?
Your list implies you know wtf you're doing, so I'm curious.
Thanks! Long range hunting started in Pennsylvania.
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each year I keep anxiously awaiting what comes out of shot show each year. I keep hoping we get a long range hunting scope that is tailored to our needs. There have been attempts made in the past but the optics world seems to have been taken over by the tactical community. sewer pipe diameter main tubes and FFP reticles seem to be where all the new stuff is going. I guess I will just have to accept the long range hunting community is actually pretty small and isn't the one driving optics sales. what I am looking for in a long range optic
1)30mm main tube
2)ZERO STOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
3)low profile capped windage!!! even the tactical guys should want that
4) simple reticle with wind hold offs, we have a turret we don't need fancy doohicky marks on the vertical. must be easy to see in low light, not require illumination, and easy to pick up very quickly
5)must have a low power around 3x and no higher than about 16x, that could be a 3-15, 4-16, or 3.5-14 etc. if you go around that power range a reticle with 1 moa hold offs will show up great in low power and in low light.
6) second focal plane reticle SFP,
7)needs to track perfectly, actually this should be number 1!
8)glass should be bushnell elite 3200 or burris FF2 quality or higher.
9)price it around $1k
10) provide the elevation knob be capped if desired or ran without the cap.
Seriously you must not look around much. There are scopes out there meet your demands and more. See Swarovski X5, Leupold VX6, Vortex Razor HD LH to name a few. Your whine bears no merit. There are plenty of products out there to suit your needs.
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Sound good except for it should go to at least 20X. And rather than a specific magnification on low power, how about calling for more than 20' field of view?[/quote] Nightforce SHV covers A LOT of those requirements. A used Nightforce cost more than the grand the OP requested. Cummins,
You keep talking about western hunting, what was the last thing you killed in the west?
Your list implies you know wtf you're doing, so I'm curious.
Thanks! Long range hunting started in Pennsylvania. Ringman and cummins have got to be giving safariman a run for the biggest idiot....toss dumb don in for sport too.
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Long range and hunting
Classic oxymoron
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SFP is a inferior system
Sounds like you need a S&B.
dave not in the power ranges I suggested. go adjust your FFP scope to 3x and see how great it works without or even with illumination. S&B is insanely over priced. I am not spending 3 grand for a scope. Have used the 1.5-6x42 S&B for many years with no issues of any kind.From point blank to 500 yards.Same for the 3-12 and the 4-16. dave
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Long range and hunting
Classic oxymoron
I disagree. A long shot for me is a easy shot for others. Most wouldn't consider 250-300 yards long range but I know a slew of guys that'll shoot up all their "shells" at that distance and not touch hair.
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[quote]Cummins,
Long range hunting started in Pennsylvania. Yep, but only in a small part of it, not the whole state. These other scopes you guys talk about, are they something like a Unertle?
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Kaleb, Most wouldn't consider 250-300 yards long range but I know a slew of guys that'll shoot up all their "shells" at that distance and not touch hair. I would bet what I consider big money that the vast majority, let emphasize vast, would think 200 yards is long range if you showed it to them in the woods.
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I would bet good money that in todays tough economy, manufacturers are going to offer more bread and butter products and cater to the bigger audience .
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1)30mm main tube
2)ZERO STOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
3)low profile capped windage!!! even the tactical guys should want that
4) simple reticle with wind hold offs, we have a turret we don't need fancy doohicky marks on the vertical. must be easy to see in low light, not require illumination, and easy to pick up very quickly
5)must have a low power around 3x and no higher than about 16x, that could be a 3-15, 4-16, or 3.5-14 etc. if you go around that power range a reticle with 1 moa hold offs will show up great in low power and in low light.
6) second focal plane reticle SFP,
7)needs to track perfectly, actually this should be number 1!
8)glass should be bushnell elite 3200 or burris FF2 quality or higher.
9)price it around $1k
10) provide the elevation knob be capped if desired or ran without the cap.
XX company could deliver per your exact specs and you'd still find a reason to beotch about it.
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The Nightforce SHV lineup covers about everything on your wish list.
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The 4-14x50 can be had for $1066, if I didn't like my SWFA stuff so much, I'd try one.
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The Nightforce SHV lineup covers about everything on your wish list. actually it doesn't nightforce doesn't have that great of low light reticles. the SHV 4-14 only comes in 56mm obj. the 3-10 model comes with the IHR and MOAR, while I love the MOAR its not suited to the 3-10 model. I suppose I could get the 4-14 but I would just have to deal with the 56mm objective, but weight becomes an issue. at that point I would probably go 3.5-15 NXS, which is what I have done on one of my guns. online forums are funny when someone comes with real substance and questions things, attack the messenger and inpune them personally. more optics options benefit YOU!
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I just bought a LRHS and it looks pretty nice to me. A bit over the price, but it certainly has a bunch of bang/buck.
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The Nightforce SHV lineup covers about everything on your wish list. actually it doesn't nightforce doesn't have that great of low light reticles. the SHV 4-14 only comes in 56mm obj. the 3-10 model comes with the IHR and MOAR, while I love the MOAR its not suited to the 3-10 model. I suppose I could get the 4-14 but I would just have to deal with the 56mm objective, but weight becomes an issue. at that point I would probably go 3.5-15 NXS, which is what I have done on one of my guns. online forums are funny when someone comes with real substance and questions things, attack the messenger and inpune them personally. more optics options benefit YOU! NF just brought out a 4-14x50 SHV that literally covers almost every bullet point on your magical scope wish list. If you'd actually looked around at SHOT you'd have seen it at multiple booths. Tanner
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4-14x50 costs $66 more than he can spend. Keep looking.
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Cummins,
You keep talking about western hunting, what was the last thing you killed in the west?
Your list implies you know wtf you're doing, so I'm curious.
Thanks!
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